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    Default The 2018 QB Conundrum

    I thought I'd make one thread for all of the QB talk. Mods feel free to merge this into another one if you want to.

    Right now the Broncos have 3 QB's under contract for the 2018 season. Brock is an UFA. That leaves Lynch, Siemian, and Kelly.

    Lynch is uncuttable. He carries a 4.46 million dollar cap hit if he's cut this year. Elway has never strapped this team with a lot of dead cap money. I doubt he even has the ability to, considering the team's finances are run out of a trust fund. Lynch also has no trade value. Siemian carries just a 13k salary cap hit if he's cut. That's certainly an option. Kelly carries a 48k cap hit if he's cut. That's an option as well.

    We know that Elway is bringing in a free agent QB. Word is that he wants Cousins. Here are the other free agent QB's on the market:

    Drew Brees- Doubt he's leaving N.O. He's too tied into the community and the team is winning again.
    Sam Bradford- Injury prone, and 30 years old. He's spent more time in training rooms than on the field in his career.
    Jay Cutler- Mmmmmm, yeah
    Josh McCown- 38 year old grasping at his last straw
    Drew Stanton- 33 year old career backup
    Kase Keenum- He's an intriguing possibility after the season he had in Minnesota. 29 years old.
    Teddy Bridgewater- He's only 26, and showed signs of being a franchise QB before his injury. I'd love to see Elway take a run at him.
    Alex Smith and Eli Manning may both end up on the street, but as of now they're both under contract with their respective teams for the 2018 season.

    Out of the possibilities, and assuming Brees stays in New Orleans, I think the Broncos look at taking a QB with the 5th pick of the draft unless they sign Cousins. This is another argument for signing Cousins in my book. You have a known commodity for the next 5 years, he's just now entering his prime, and you can add one heck of a football player with the 5th pick.

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    Iíd like to see Cousins, Kelly, Lynch and a rookie. Let the three younger guys battle for the backup spot, and cut Lynch if he canít outplay Kelly or the rookie. If heís not good enough to be a backup then he shouldnít be wasting a roster spot, cap hit or not; pick up a college FA WR for special teams with that roster spot

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    I would think it's most likely Cousins or taking a QB in the first round.

    I think there is an outside chance they think Lynch is ready and could go for an Alex Smith, Bridgewater, etc. vet as a backup, but the problem being with the QB market being what it is, these guys will still probably get $15-20 a year, so it's not like they are cheap options.

    While I wouldn't completely discount Eli if he's on the market, that's unlikely to pay the same dividends that signing his brother did. Also, my money is on NY drafting a QB and letting him sit behind Eli for one or two years.

    So, if I was laying odds right now, I say they take a run at Cousins, and if that doesn't work out, they sign a lower tier FA QB and draft a QB in the first round.

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    Plan A is all-in on Cousins, plan B is rookie + stopgap.

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    Cousins.

    If not Cousins then Bridgewater.

    If Option C...

    Bradford and a rookie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick View Post
    Cousins.

    If not Cousins then Bridgewater.

    If Option C...

    Bradford and a rookie.
    I'm agreeing more and more with this the more I look at it.

    Option B would potentially be Case Keenum if the Vikings dump him instead of Teddy Bridgewater.

    Option C would be hope that Alex Smith becomes a FA. That could be if nobody is willing to take Alex Smith's $20m contract off the Chef's hands. But, they are not trading him within the division so he's unlikely to wind up here.

    Option D would probably be Bradford or Josh McCown and possibly move up in the draft and try and get one of the top 2 QBs, perhaps Sam Darnold if the Browns don't draft him. If they can't move up or don't want to pay the price, then probably Josh Allen or Baker Mayfield or Lamar Jackson.

    Personally, I haven't seen anything good about those three, but I'm not a big college football fan so I don't have much opinion on them.

    If the Broncos sign Cousins, then they probably don't bother with drafting a QB in the first 2 rounds, but if it's Bridgewater or Keenum and certainly if it's Alex Smith or Josh McCown or Sam Bradford, then they are drafting a QB early. Perhaps not at #5, but in the first round.,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cugel View Post
    I'm agreeing more and more with this the more I look at it.

    Option B would potentially be Case Keenum if the Vikings dump him instead of Teddy Bridgewater.

    Option C would be hope that Alex Smith becomes a FA. That could be if nobody is willing to take Alex Smith's $20m contract off the Chef's hands. But, they are not trading him within the division so he's unlikely to wind up here.

    Option D would probably be Bradford or Josh McCown and possibly move up in the draft and try and get one of the top 2 QBs, perhaps Sam Darnold if the Browns don't draft him. If they can't move up or don't want to pay the price, then probably Josh Allen or Baker Mayfield or Lamar Jackson.

    Personally, I haven't seen anything good about those three, but I'm not a big college football fan so I don't have much opinion on them.

    If the Broncos sign Cousins, then they probably don't bother with drafting a QB in the first 2 rounds, but if it's Bridgewater or Keenum and certainly if it's Alex Smith or Josh McCown or Sam Bradford, then they are drafting a QB early. Perhaps not at #5, but in the first round.,
    I canít see a single scenario where the Vikings keep Bridgewater over Keenum. Keenum took them to the playoffs. Keenumís single season stats this year are almost as good as Bridgewaters for 2 seasons. Keenum: 22 TDs, 7 Ints. Bridgewater (Ď14 & Ď15) 28 TDs (14 in each season) and 22 Ints.

    Itís one of the reasons I donít know why guys are high on Teddy. Especially coming off major knee surgery. Heís the biggest risk of any potential FA QB/trade bait. Frankly, Iíd rather get Tyrod Taylor (yuck) than Teddy B.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HORSEPOWER 56 View Post
    I can’t see a single scenario where the Vikings keep Bridgewater over Keenum. Keenum took them to the playoffs. Keenum’s single season stats this year are almost as good as Bridgewaters for 2 seasons. Keenum: 22 TDs, 7 Ints. Bridgewater (‘14 & ‘15) 28 TDs (14 in each season) and 22 Ints.

    It’s one of the reasons I don’t know why guys are high on Teddy. Especially coming off major knee surgery. He’s the biggest risk of any potential FA QB/trade bait. Frankly, I’d rather get Tyrod Taylor (yuck) than Teddy B.
    Totally agreed on Bridgewater. Where you and I part company is my ideal guy is Alex Smith. Its not on Smith that the Chefs can't hold a big lead; Smith got them the lead after all (yes, I know, simplistic) and he he can't help it that Andy Reid sucks. I always thought Smith was a classic late bloomer, got shafted by SF, and has been drastically underappreciated for the past half dozen years.

    We can't afford to waste the draft pick on another dud QB, so much so I'd rather roll with our current dud QB's than waste a #5 adding to our inventory
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnought View Post
    Totally agreed on Bridgewater. Where you and I part company is my ideal guy is Alex Smith. Its not on Smith that the Chefs can't hold a big lead; Smith got them the lead after all (yes, I know, simplistic) and he he can't help it that Andy Reid sucks. I always thought Smith was a classic late bloomer, got shafted by SF, and has been drastically underappreciated for the past half dozen years.

    We can't afford to waste the draft pick on another dud QB, so much so I'd rather roll with our current dud QB's than waste a #5 adding to our inventory
    Smith had a pretty impressive year, especially for a guy that supposedly couldn't go deep.

    He was number one, by a country mile, in deep passing. His 131 rating on passes thrown (in the air) 20+ yards was 28 points higher than the closest, and his 12 TDs on deep passes was only equaled by Russel Wilson, but Wilson had 5 INTs on deep passes to Smith's 1 INT.

    Smith's 1344 deep passing yards first to Staffords 1136 in second place.

    Smith's 56.5% accuracy rating was first, with Brees coming in 2nd at 52.5%.

    Maybe a combination of experience and getting some good weapons around him, showed Smith can lead top tier passing game (3rd ranked passing offense).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnought View Post
    Totally agreed on Bridgewater. Where you and I part company is my ideal guy is Alex Smith. Its not on Smith that the Chefs can't hold a big lead; Smith got them the lead after all (yes, I know, simplistic) and he he can't help it that Andy Reid sucks. I always thought Smith was a classic late bloomer, got shafted by SF, and has been drastically underappreciated for the past half dozen years.

    We can't afford to waste the draft pick on another dud QB, so much so I'd rather roll with our current dud QB's than waste a #5 adding to our inventory
    For me, it’s the simple fact that he seems to wear out his welcome. If he was all that and a bag of chips, the 49ers wouldn’t have replaced him with Kaepernick (who took them to a Super Bowl) and now KC with Mahomes. To me, that’s a huge red flag. Combine that with the fact that I’ve watched him vs us 2x per year and in last year’s Playoff game vs Pittsburgh and he stunk on ice. It wasn’t until this year he did well, the year that they drafted his replacement, that he becomes a top passer. It’s bullshit. It’s a ruse.

    Combine that with the fact that he’s 33 and has zero chance of being our “franchise” guy and it’s a hard pass for me. It has nothing to do with him being a Chef.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawgdriver View Post
    Plan A is all-in on Cousins, plan B is rookie + stopgap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawgdriver View Post
    With your fingers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor View Post
    Well played sir.
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    So good.
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    The situation sucks. I don't like any of QBs coming out all that much and I don't think Cousins is good enough to warrant being the highest paid player in football either.

    Cousins is decent but he isn't some worldie. ~30 mil seems like way to much to be paying that guy.

    John whiffing on Oz and Lynch hurts the team badly.

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