Thread: NFL Network Reports: Broncos Expected Now To Retain Vance Jospeph For Another Year!

I felt like kicking puppies when I first read this but remembered that the NFL Network has about the same level of credibility as the mainstream media. I seriously doubt Elway has made a final decision yet but the bar is set high in Denver and even with a couple of wins to finish the season out, I can't see that being enough to save VJ's job. Lets hope this isn't rue.

Originally Posted by broncofaninfla

I felt like kicking puppies when I first read this but remembered that the NFL Network has about the same level of credibility as the mainstream media. I seriously doubt Elway has made a final decision yet but the bar is set high in Denver and even with a couple of wins to finish the season out, I can't see that being enough to save VJ's job. Lets hope this isn't rue.

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If you keep tabs on the "team friendly" media voices, there have been many subtle attempts to sell the idea of Vance staying on as HC. This was happening prior to the Jets game, so it doesn't represent a change in perspective on Vance due to recent wins. They were propping him up at the dankest, darkest point of the season.

Here's my read: The team wanted to keep him regardless of the record, but the public outcry at the terrible on-field performance was making that an extremely difficult position for them to hold (even with their buddies in the media chipping in some support). Now that a portion of the fanbase has been placated by a few wins, the idea of him staying on is less toxic.

I'm certainly not a fan of Vance and won't forget the ridiculous losing streak that killed this season... but based on what I've seen/heard, I'd be very surprised if he was let go at the end of the season.

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Originally Posted by Warhawk

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If you keep tabs on the "team friendly" media voices, there have been many subtle attempts to sell the idea of Vance staying on as HC. This was happening prior to the Jets game, so it doesn't represent a change in perspective on Vance due to recent wins. They were propping him up at the dankest, darkest point of the season.

Here's my read: The team wanted to keep him regardless of the record, but the public outcry at the terrible on-field performance was making that an extremely difficult position for them to hold (even with their buddies in the media chipping in some support). Now that a portion of the fanbase has been placated by a few wins, the idea of him staying on is less toxic.

I'm certainly not a fan of Vance and won't forget the ridiculous losing streak that killed this season... but based on what I've seen/heard, I'd be very surprised if he was let go at the end of the season.

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Here's a riddle... Which one of our sycophant beat writers are not team friendly? Klis and Renck may as well be on Elway's payroll. The only critical voice at the Post is Mark effing Kiszla. It didn't occur to me while the team was winning - but I've been really frustrated by the local coverage this year.

Originally Posted by Buff

Here's a riddle... Which one of our sycophant beat writers are not team friendly? Klis and Renck may as well be on Elway's payroll. The only critical voice at the Post is Mark effing Kiszla. It didn't occur to me while the team was winning - but I've been really frustrated by the local coverage this year.

Yeah, but you're always frustrated at something.

Originally Posted by BroncoJoe

Yeah, but you're always frustrated at something.

The internet is for complaining.

Originally Posted by Buff

The internet is for complaining.

Net-Negativity?

Originally Posted by BroncoJoe

Net-Negativity?

At least until Congress bans it.

I'm so apathetic at this point I don't even care if we keep him or not. Either we suck again and stockpile more good draft picks and clean house, or he shocks us all and is good. I can live with either option.

Originally Posted by broncofaninfla

I felt like kicking puppies when I first read this but remembered that the NFL Network has about the same level of credibility as the mainstream media. I seriously doubt Elway has made a final decision yet but the bar is set high in Denver and even with a couple of wins to finish the season out, I can't see that being enough to save VJ's job. Lets hope this isn't rue.

I say about 100-1 chance Elway retains VJ for next year at this point. I laugh at your point that NFL network has "the same credibility as the mainstream media."

So 100% credibility then.

I don't hope it isn't true either. Now that they ditched Mike McCoy the offense looks like it can actually score some points.

Here's my read: The team wanted to keep him regardless of the record, but the public outcry at the terrible on-field performance was making that an extremely difficult position for them to hold (even with their buddies in the media chipping in some support). Now that a portion of the fanbase has been placated by a few wins, the idea of him staying on is less toxic.

I'm certainly not a fan of Vance and won't forget the ridiculous losing streak that killed this season... but based on what I've seen/heard, I'd be very surprised if he was let go at the end of the season.

Warhawk is right. The last thing Elway wanted was to fire VJ after one season. That is how losing franchises operate - constant turmoil and coaching changes. And Denver has gone through 3 head coaches and a bunch of assistants since 2014 already. Moving on to their 4th head coach in 4 years would not be good.

He might be forced to do something if the team had lost 12 in a row, while being blown out in every game. Enough is just enough. But, he's not going to give in to fan over-reaction. Now that the team has won 2 in a row, VJ is safe, regardless of what happens the last 2 games.

They should probably start Paxton in the last 2 to see what they have. The games are meaningless, they just need to play the guys they intend to keep next year.

VJ will get his 2nd season. And Elway will expect to see some signs of improvement in 2018. How much improvement? That is up in the air.

So, right now the job is give more playing time to develop

Paxton
Booker
Jeff Heuerman
Connor McGovern
Andy Janovich
Benie Fowler
Jordan Taylor
Cody Latimer
Billy Turner
Garrett Bolles

and on defense
Shelby Harris
Demarcus Walker
Brenden Langley
Will Parks

The young guys who they will be considering starting or at least keeping on the roster for next year. And not those likely to be cut or traded:

Jamaal Charles
CJ
Talib
D.T.

Originally Posted by Cugel

I say about 100-1 chance Elway retains VJ for next year at this point. I laugh at your point that NFL network has "the same credibility as the mainstream media."

So 100% credibility then.

I don't hope it isn't true either. Now that they ditched Mike McCoy the offense looks like it can actually score some points.

Originally Posted by Cugel

Warhawk is right. The last thing Elway wanted was to fire VJ after one season. That is how losing franchises operate - constant turmoil and coaching changes. And Denver has gone through 3 head coaches and a bunch of assistants since 2014 already. Moving on to their 4th head coach in 4 years would not be good.

He might be forced to do something if the team had lost 12 in a row, while being blown out in every game. Enough is just enough. But, he's not going to give in to fan over-reaction.

VJ will get his 2nd season. And Elway will expect to see some signs of improvement in 2018. How much improvement? That is up in the air.

Huh?

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

Huh?

100-1 chance in favor of retain, not 100-1 chance they fire him. I suppose there's some conceivable, but unlikely scenario in which Elway fires him. I don't know what that would be, so I assigned it a 1% chance. You can give your own odds if you like. 100-1 retain is mine.

Those expecting VJ to be fired can state their opinion and we'll see who's right in a few weeks time after the season. But, those wanting a change: don't hold your breath.

More agony YEA!!!!

Originally Posted by Cugel

100-1 chance in favor of retain, not 100-1 chance they fire him. I suppose there's some conceivable, but unlikely scenario in which Elway fires him. I don't know what that would be, so I assigned it a 1% chance. You can give your own odds if you like. 100-1 retain is mine.

Those expecting VJ to be fired can state their opinion and we'll see who's right in a few weeks time after the season. But, those wanting a change: don't hold your breath.

I don't think you know how odds work. 100-1 means a huge long shot. When you say "100-1" to return, you are saying there is a 1% chance he returns.

Originally Posted by Cugel

The interesting part is this explanation of Elway's thinking.
""They know -- Elway and Ellis -- the quarterback situation here. They are very well aware of how little chance that the offense has."

I don't think that means Elway believes that Paxton just "isn't ready" but rather that none of Denver's current QBs is better than a backup in this league.

That's obvious of course, but it has never been stated by Elway, who has always given the company line that Paxton is just a work in progress and they are continuing to develop him, presumably for next season.

But, if they conclude he's a bust, then that means next year they will be drafting a QB early, whether they keep Trevor or not as a backup. It could mean next year's QB roster would look like this:

#1 - Veteran FA starter until the rookie is ready.
#2 - Rookie draft pick.
#3 - Trevor or Chad Kelly, but not both.

Of course, I can express no proof this will happen now.

Cugel. Please read the following post (see link) and then edit your original post in this thread.

http://www.broncosforums.com/forums/...ghted-articles

Thanks

T