Thread: MLB 2018 Thread

Originally Posted by Buff

Feel bad for Pirates fans - the McCutchen era should have produced more. He still has plenty of good Coors ABs left in him I'm sure.

And now he'll get more.

Chipper Jones, Vlad Guerero (SP?), Hoffman and Jim Thome elected into the HOF. Very good class but here's a problem I have with the voting.
Vlad, a no brainer HOFer best bad-ball hitter of all time, career .318 Batting average got in on his second year of eligibility with 92% of the vote. Why the Hell was he not elected last year? Not good enough to get 75% last year but now 92%

It just annoys me.

Who was in last year's class?

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

Who was in last year's class?

Bagwell, Raines and Pudge

Originally Posted by chazoe60

Bagwell, Raines and Pudge

I'd take Vlad over all of them, especially the cheater Pudge.

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

I'd take Vlad over all of them, especially the cheater Pudge.

I don't about that, Raines definitely but Pudge and Bagwell were both awesome. Either way, Vlad would have fit right in with that class.

I just get frustrated at voters who refuse to put a guy in on the first trip. I understand that certain guys need time so their careers can be viewed from a different perspective but Vlad was not one of those guys.

Originally Posted by chazoe60

I don't about that, Raines definitely but Pudge and Bagwell were both awesome. Either way, Vlad would have fit right in with that class.

I just get frustrated at voters who refuse to put a guy in on the first trip. I understand that certain guys need time so their careers can be viewed from a different perspective but Vlad was not one of those guys.

In general, I agree with this, but it was time for Raines to be in. There are lots of problems I have with the voting process, one of them being the moral high ground BS the voters have been on lately, but the reason I don't have a problem here is that there isn't a way Vlad wasn't getting in soon.

Originally Posted by chazoe60

I don't about that, Raines definitely but Pudge and Bagwell were both awesome. Either way, Vlad would have fit right in with that class.

I just get frustrated at voters who refuse to put a guy in on the first trip. I understand that certain guys need time so their careers can be viewed from a different perspective but Vlad was not one of those guys.

Pudge was a cheater and a coward.

Bagwell was worthy of being in, but Vlad was just more impactful.

I like your take on the first ballot thing. You're a HoFer or you're not. There are special circumstances, but if Vlad wasn't getting in it better have been because a slew of Griffey Jr. type guys were going in ahead of him, or something extreme.

I don't understand the baseball hall of fame. I do like that Pete Rose isn't in the Hall of Fame, though.

Just let them all in at this point.

In all honesty, there is little doubt that the vast majority of players in the 80's and 90's used some sort of PED. At that point, the playing field is level. hard to call any of them cheaters when they were all doing it

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

In all honesty, there is little doubt that the vast majority of players in the 80's and 90's used some sort of PED. At that point, the playing field is level. hard to call any of them cheaters when they were all doing it

It's an accountability dump, that stance. We know that a lot of players didn't use PED's. I don't have any sympathy for them.

Vlad going in as an Angel... kind of a slap in the face to the Expos.

Originally Posted by weazel

Vlad going in as an Angel... kind of a slap in the face to the Expos.

And I thought for sure he'd go in as an Oriole...:-)

HOF watchers complain about the lack of third basemen in the Hall... so Chipper gets in, Thome gets in, Edgar Martinez comes close but Scott Rolen, a better man at his position than any of them, just barely stays eligible. Go figger.

Originally Posted by OrangeHoof

HOF watchers complain about the lack of third basemen in the Hall... so Chipper gets in, Thome gets in, Edgar Martinez comes close but Scott Rolen, a better man at his position than any of them, just barely stays eligible. Go figger.

You're actually questioning why Thome is in the HOF before Rolen?