Thread: Todd McShay mocks Wyoming quarterback Josh Allen to the Broncos

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

He ran for 500 yards in 2016. Just 200 this year. I can't speak to why there's a big difference, but he is a pocket quarterback with athleticism, not just an athlete. I'm not 100 percent sold on him, but I do like him much better than Mayfield. I'm not much of a fan of Rosen, either.

I'm not sold on any of them! I saw Darnold's film from one game and fell in love but the 2017 caveat-speak has me pumping the brakes.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

I'm not sold on any of them! I saw Darnold's film from one game and fell in love but the 2017 caveat-speak has me pumping the brakes.

That's fair. How do you think the decision-makers feel!

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

That's fair. How do you think the decision-makers feel!

I'd love to read the commentary from the 1983 draft class.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

I'd love to read the commentary from the 1983 draft class.

Have you seen the 30 for 30?

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

Have you seen the 30 for 30?

It was good.

Everyone remembers Marino, not Blackledge.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

It was good.

Everyone remembers Marino, not Blackledge.

Blackledge's most notable moments of his NFL career:

1) Was drafted ahead of Marino in '83.

2) Threw 6 picks in a single game.

3) Rode in the back of a pick-up with a teammate while carrying a shotgun to intimidate the players crossing picket line during the '87 players strike.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

I despise excuses for quarterbacks, and some of this might sound like excuses, but...

I felt like he was a playmaker in 2016, and he lost a drafted running back and a drafted center on a Mountain West offense, which is a big loss for a Group of Five team. He also lost his top three receiving targets including a 72-catch, 1,300-yard, 14 TD receiver (which is quite the year in the pros, let alone at a Group of 5 school, he's UDFA with the Bears, made the roster; And a tight end who was UDFA, playing with the Patriots, active roster).

Baker Mayfield has four- and five-star talent backing up his starters. A guy like Allen just doesn't get that at Wyoming. I think he's much less of a project than Lynch or Osweiler. During the CSU-Wyoming game this season, the announcers talked specifically about how he changed his film study to help him at the next level, and he's running the same system with the same coaches that Carson Wentz had at North Dakota State.

He had a bad year, there's no doubt about that, but I think the playmaking ability that I saw in the games I watched him play in 2016 is worth the high pick. And his arm is going to pop at his pro day. I think he'll do well in interviews. I don't think he's like Osweiler and Lynch, who were quarterbacks who popped in workouts and displayed some athleticism, but they were in offenses where the coaches were calling audibles and the system was shotgun-oriented. Allen has all those tools and played in an offense where his coaches are asking him to make more reads and play under center and do the things that you like to see out of future pros.

If the Broncos want a first-round quarterback, and can't get Darnold, I think Allen is the pick. I do not want Mayfield. He's a hot head and a blowhard who I don't see being a leader. I don't care about the rah-rah, run down the field, jaw at the lowly Jayhawks stuff. I'd rather see a more cerebral personality at the position.

I appreciate the well thought out response. I watched a little film on Allen and just wasn't that impressed. In the Boise State game, he overthrew a wide open receiver deep by about five yards and missed another guy who was open for a first down by throwing way behind him and low. Small sample size, I know. I just expected him to pop, considering the level of competition that he was playing. I saw a lot of him running in that game, which I imagine he'll do less of in the pros.

I don't want to turn this into an Allen vs Mayfield thing, though it seems likely that if we draft a guy early, it'll be one of those two assuming Darnold and Rosen are gone (fwiw, I have concerns about Rosen and like Darnold a great deal, if it comes to that). Personally, I like the emotion that Mayfield brings - guys want to play for him and his attitude stems from a maniacal desire to be better at his craft. We could use some energy in our milktoast offense. He also has a good arm and is accurate to all the levels of the field, and he makes play calls and audibles at the line, which again, I think would be important if we want to start a guy right away.

Speaking of which, all of this hinges on what we do in FA. If we get Cousins, this is kind of a moot point. If we get a lower level guy (Foles' name has been out there recently), then I want to draft a guy to compete in training camp and hopefully win the job. I don't see Allen as being ready to do that right now. I've been wrong plenty of times before, though, so I can't say I know what I'm talking about (though I liked Watson as my favorite QB out of the draft last year, in large part because of his "proven winner" intangible, and that seems like a plus so far ...)

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

I despise excuses for quarterbacks, and some of this might sound like excuses, but...

I felt like he was a playmaker in 2016, and he lost a drafted running back and a drafted center on a Mountain West offense, which is a big loss for a Group of Five team. He also lost his top three receiving targets including a 72-catch, 1,300-yard, 14 TD receiver (which is quite the year in the pros, let alone at a Group of 5 school, he's UDFA with the Bears, made the roster; And a tight end who was UDFA, playing with the Patriots, active roster).

Baker Mayfield has four- and five-star talent backing up his starters. A guy like Allen just doesn't get that at Wyoming. I think he's much less of a project than Lynch or Osweiler. During the CSU-Wyoming game this season, the announcers talked specifically about how he changed his film study to help him at the next level, and he's running the same system with the same coaches that Carson Wentz had at North Dakota State.

He had a bad year, there's no doubt about that, but I think the playmaking ability that I saw in the games I watched him play in 2016 is worth the high pick. And his arm is going to pop at his pro day. I think he'll do well in interviews. I don't think he's like Osweiler and Lynch, who were quarterbacks who popped in workouts and displayed some athleticism, but they were in offenses where the coaches were calling audibles and the system was shotgun-oriented. Allen has all those tools and played in an offense where his coaches are asking him to make more reads and play under center and do the things that you like to see out of future pros.

If the Broncos want a first-round quarterback, and can't get Darnold, I think Allen is the pick. I do not want Mayfield. He's a hot head and a blowhard who I don't see being a leader. I don't care about the rah-rah, run down the field, jaw at the lowly Jayhawks stuff. I'd rather see a more cerebral personality at the position.

Well said-

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

I despise excuses for quarterbacks, and some of this might sound like excuses, but...

I felt like he was a playmaker in 2016, and he lost a drafted running back and a drafted center on a Mountain West offense, which is a big loss for a Group of Five team. He also lost his top three receiving targets including a 72-catch, 1,300-yard, 14 TD receiver (which is quite the year in the pros, let alone at a Group of 5 school, he's UDFA with the Bears, made the roster; And a tight end who was UDFA, playing with the Patriots, active roster).

Are you secretly Joel Klatt? He said nearly the exact same thing on 104.3 this morning. AFTER your post. Maybe he read what you had to say?

Originally Posted by BroncoJoe

Are you secretly Joel Klatt? He said nearly the exact same thing on 104.3 this morning. AFTER your post. Maybe he read what you had to say?

I wish I had his job.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

I wish I had his job.

Can you imagine? That would be one great gig. He's pretty good at it too.

Originally Posted by BroncoJoe

Can you imagine? That would be one great gig. He's pretty good at it too.

I absolutely can imagine.

He’s probably the best game analyst in college right now. I’m getting tired of Gus Johnson’s schtick. It’s 2nd down on a random play in the second quarter. Stop yelling.

Wyoming fan and saw all his games. Great guy, great teammate, plays hard, will put work in. Cannon for an arm. Inconsistent as hell. Still struggles with reads. Didn't have his 6'4" giant making plays for him this year. Definitely will risk turnovers/interceptions trying to make big plays. I would have reservations of him running a systematic offense where he makes reads and audibles out but he may become a guy that can make plays with his arm and also leg. I would say he's a good 3 years from ever seeing the field. I would compare him to a less dynamic Cam Newton.

Sounds like the guy that is already in the building.