Thread: Lets go over the highest paid QBs in the NFL again.

There are 28 players on the current roster that have cap hits of $790,000 or less in 2017. I don't see why that would be different next year.

I just remember back to the Peyton Manning signing and remember the screaming about how they could never sign any other free agent ever again and they'd be over the cap and could never have any wiggle room. Then Elway signed four massive free agents the next season.

I have faith the math would work.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

There are 28 players on the current roster that have cap hits of $790,000 or less in 2017. I don't see why that would be different next year.

I just remember back to the Peyton Manning signing and remember the screaming about how they could never sign any other free agent ever again and they'd be over the cap and could never have any wiggle room. Then Elway signed four massive free agents the next season.

I have faith the math would work.

Mathematics isn't faith. If you want to back into it from the $26 million cap space that OTC says we will have (not sure where you came up with $35, but even do it from there), then have a go. $4 million for rookies, that's $22 left. $25 for a QB. Now you are $3 million in the hole. Who are you cutting?

When the Broncos signed a $19 million Manning, they didn't have a $22 million LB. Think about the Von/Elway fight and the Broncos were also trying to sign Brock to $15 a year. After signing Von, they were scrambling to just get the rest of their squad in under the cap. How would they have managed that with $15 million to Brock and $19 (cap back then) to Von? They couldn't have. Now, you are suggesting that they can have $45-50 million tied up in a QB and LB and just have faith in the math.

I think CJ is gone (or back at very reduced price. probably gone.)

Watson gone or brought back at half that salary.

Stevenson gone.

Talib possibly gone.

That is a decent amount of cash freed up.

Originally Posted by Tned

Mathematics isn't faith. If you want to back into it from the $26 million cap space that OTC says we will have (not sure where you came up with $35, but even do it from there), then have a go. $4 million for rookies, that's $22 left. $25 for a QB. Now you are $3 million in the hole. Who are you cutting?

When the Broncos signed a $19 million Manning, they didn't have a $22 million LB. Think about the Von/Elway fight and the Broncos were also trying to sign Brock to $15 a year. After signing Von, they were scrambling to just get the rest of their squad in under the cap. How would they have managed that with $15 million to Brock and $19 (cap back then) to Von? They couldn't have. Now, you are suggesting that they can have $45-50 million tied up in a QB and LB and just have faith in the math.

Cap isn’t straight math. Just because a guy makes x per year doesn’t mean his cap hit is x.

Originally Posted by Buff

Kirk Cousins is gonna look great in orange.

Yep.

Originally Posted by Rick

I think CJ is gone (or back at very reduced price. probably gone.)

Watson gone or brought back at half that salary.

Stevenson gone.

Talib possibly gone.

That is a decent amount of cash freed up.

Who's the RT and backup tackles? We don't have young guys capable of stepping in. There is a reason the Broncos paid Watson $8 million a year, and that's because it was, and still is, a major hole.

If both CJ and Charles are let go, then they likely need to sign a vet backup. Maybe they let Talib go, but that then leaves a major hole in the secondary as Talib, Roby and Harris are on the field a lot right now. I guess the next two games with his suspension will give us a preview.

Originally Posted by HORSEPOWER 56

Cap isn’t straight math. Just because a guy makes x per year doesn’t mean his cap hit is x.

Which is why the numbers I posted were their cap hits for 2018 (short of renegotiating) not their salaries. For instance, Marshall's salary next year is $5 million, but I listed him at $7 million, which is what his cap hit ($5 million salary + $2 million of his $10 million signing bonus) will be in '18.

There is no free lunch. You can't have two guys taking up $50 million of cap space, five more taking up the next $50 million and then field a decent team with what's left.

A lot of people keep talking about all the holes that need to be filled, but now we are making a contention that we can just cut our #1 CB, RT, RB and others to make room for a FA QB and not even worry about the holes we had before cutting those three players, not to mention now also filling the hole at CB and RT.

Originally Posted by Tned

Mathematics isn't faith. If you want to back into it from the $26 million cap space that OTC says we will have (not sure where you came up with $35, but even do it from there), then have a go. $4 million for rookies, that's $22 left. $25 for a QB. Now you are $3 million in the hole. Who are you cutting?

When the Broncos signed a $19 million Manning, they didn't have a $22 million LB. Think about the Von/Elway fight and the Broncos were also trying to sign Brock to $15 a year. After signing Von, they were scrambling to just get the rest of their squad in under the cap. How would they have managed that with $15 million to Brock and $19 (cap back then) to Von? They couldn't have. Now, you are suggesting that they can have $45-50 million tied up in a QB and LB and just have faith in the math.

Let me try to clarify then:

When the Broncos signed Manning, the argument was that they couldn't afford any free agents with his contract on the books. The next year they signed Wes Welker and the next year they signed DeMarcus Ware, Aqib Talib, Louis Vasquez and T.J. Ward.

Then the argument was that if they signed Thomas, they couldn't sign Miller. They signed both.

Now, the argument is they can't sign a quarterback because of Miller, and I don't think that's true. So, my argument is that I have faith in the math of the front office if they feel like signing a quarterback is the way forward.

We'll see what that secondary looks like without him these next two games and then we'll see a lot less people saying let Talib go.

Originally Posted by Slick

We'll see what that secondary looks like without him these next two games and then we'll see a lot less people saying let Talib go.

He's a piece of shit (actually, that's not fair to shit), but he's our piece of shit and we are better with him (when he's not suspended.)

Originally Posted by Tned

He's a piece of shit (actually, that's not fair to shit), but he's our piece of shit and we are better with him (when he's not suspended.)

You're casting a lot of stones from your glass house this week.

Originally Posted by Buff

You're casting a lot of stones from your glass house this week.

I haven't ripped off any chains this week. I'm secure behind my silica panels.

Originally Posted by Tned

Who's the RT and backup tackles? We don't have young guys capable of stepping in. There is a reason the Broncos paid Watson $8 million a year, and that's because it was, and still is, a major hole.

If both CJ and Charles are let go, then they likely need to sign a vet backup. Maybe they let Talib go, but that then leaves a major hole in the secondary as Talib, Roby and Harris are on the field a lot right now. I guess the next two games with his suspension will give us a preview.



Which is why the numbers I posted were their cap hits for 2018 (short of renegotiating) not their salaries. For instance, Marshall's salary next year is $5 million, but I listed him at $7 million, which is what his cap hit ($5 million salary + $2 million of his $10 million signing bonus) will be in '18.

There is no free lunch. You can't have two guys taking up $50 million of cap space, five more taking up the next $50 million and then field a decent team with what's left.

A lot of people keep talking about all the holes that need to be filled, but now we are making a contention that we can just cut our #1 CB, RT, RB and others to make room for a FA QB and not even worry about the holes we had before cutting those three players, not to mention now also filling the hole at CB and RT.

They should move back a bit and draft a LT and move Bolles to right.

I would cut Watson unless he is willing to restructure. If he takes a cut, keep him and let him compete at RG or backup OT.

If Talib goes, move back into first using the extra picks from moving back from our top 5 pick and select a CB.

This is assuming Cousins was the guy...

If it is a Bradford/Smith/Brees kind of guy you need to use that top 5 on a QB.

Originally Posted by Broncoknight30

Which is almost impossible when any one player's contract does not allow a franchise to do it.

That is the point and it reflects in that list.

Ok, I gotcha now, I missed that point as you failed to include it in your original argument.

Originally Posted by Slick

We'll see what that secondary looks like without him these next two games and then we'll see a lot less people saying let Talib go.

Broncos defense - Talib - Peko = Losing.


But we were losing anyways. #mathematics

Originally Posted by NightTrainLayne

Broncos defense - Talib - Peko = Losing.


But we were losing anyways. #mathematics

I have #faith that we will win, even if it's bad for the draft.