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    If the Broncos draft a QB after spending a full week of practices and meetings with them at the senior bowl, I have no problem with it. If that QB busts, then Elway should be removed from the QB evaluation portion of the draft permanently.

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    If they feel comfortable with Mayfield, we've got a lot of problems, though.

    He's clearly not a first round QB.
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    It sure seems they are interested in drafting a QB in the first round. It will probably be between Mayfield and Allen.

    No veteran worth a damn to mentor. From Siemian, to Lynch, Osweiler, Kelly and a brand new rookie?

    An OL not worth much and a defense that will be losing more key players?

    What are we looking forward to? Just wondering. Josh Allen, another project who wont be ready to play as a rookie, since he will be a project, or Mayfield who is yet another Heisman trophy hyped QB from the Big XII with a headcase and no mentor?

    Am I missing something?

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    Why is Allen automatically a project? Wentz wasn't a project, and they both came from pro style offenses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Kinger View Post
    Why is Allen automatically a project? Wentz wasn't a project, and they both came from pro style offenses.
    Everyone is saying he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broncoknight30 View Post
    Everyone is saying he is.
    Fair enough. If that's the consensus then that's what it be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Von Kinger View Post
    Why is Allen automatically a project? Wentz wasn't a project, and they both came from pro style offenses.
    i don't think you'll find a scout who doesn't call him a project. . . i'll take that shitty little midget mayfield over allen all day, err day. . . if we draft allen, i will cry. . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogfish View Post
    i don't think you'll find a scout who doesn't call him a project. . . i'll take that shitty little midget mayfield over allen all day, err day. . . if we draft allen, i will cry. . .
    This time in the evaluation for Wentz they were saying the same thing. I'm simply saying that what is thought to be 'known' now might be considered an unknown or false later.

    Mayfield is what happens when you remove the good traits from Wilson, and make him dumb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogfish View Post
    i don't think you'll find a scout who doesn't call him a project. . . i'll take that shitty little midget mayfield over allen all day, err day. . . if we draft allen, i will cry. . .
    OF the two I see Mayfield as bigger project then Allen. Allen has played under center, called plays in the huddle, ran a system that had pro style passes (which he made) and wasn't surround by elite talent. Mayfield spent most of his time in shotgun, the few time I saw him under center it was for toss to the running back and his feet where shitty, the OU system has lot horizon type pass (screens, quick slants, RPO) which aren't NFL plays and was part of elite program with talent.

    I get people say that Allen didn't have great completion percentage but I am not concern with that.

    If Allen shows at the senior bowl that he can translate plays on the whiteboard to plays on the field, he become a legit draft top 10 QB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elsid13 View Post

    I get people say that Allen didn't have great completion percentage but I am not concern with that.
    Why not? Has a QB with such a bad completion percentage in college ever become much more accurate in the NFL? I subscribe to the theory that you can’t teach accuracy

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    Quote Originally Posted by VonDoom View Post
    Why not? Has a QB with such a bad completion percentage in college ever become much more accurate in the NFL? I subscribe to the theory that you can’t teach accuracy
    I have watched 2 and half games of WYO and Allen (Not highlights or youtube clips) and every one of those games I saw three to four drops per game from his WRs/TEs and RBs. (Evidence of the drops - http://trib.com/sports/college/wyomi...a0e9ee83f.html ) You factor that in and he hits around 60% completion.

    Also when I watched those games I felt that he was putting ball in position for his teammates to catch it.

    I will tell you one of the games I watch was the opener (Wyo at home) against Oregon and Allen was total shit. He was trying to do to much and trusting his arm to make big plays/throws that were not there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elsid13 View Post
    I have watched 2 and half games of WYO and Allen (Not highlights or youtube clips) and every one of those games I saw three to four drops per game from his WRs/TEs and RBs. (Evidence of the drops - http://trib.com/sports/college/wyomi...a0e9ee83f.html ) You factor that in and he hits around 60% completion.

    Also when I watched those games I felt that he was putting ball in position for his teammates to catch it.

    I will tell you one of the games I watch was the opener (Wyo at home) against Oregon and Allen was total shit. He was trying to do to much and trusting his arm to make big plays/throws that were not there.
    No doubt the talent around him wasn’t good. But I saw a PFF article that says even factoring in drops, throw always, etc, Allen is like the 80-something ranked draft eligible QB. I only watched one complete game of film on him and most of his Bowl game in real time, but that’s basically what I saw as well

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    Elway is stupid if he drafts Baker Mayfield. Ew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aberdien View Post
    Elway is stupid if he drafts Baker Mayfield. Ew.
    I didn't realize the BRONCOS requested Mayfield to be on the North team. When I read the roster, it didn't make sense why an OU member would be on the North.
    why you so serious!

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    Quote Originally Posted by VonDoom View Post
    Why not? Has a QB with such a bad completion percentage in college ever become much more accurate in the NFL? I subscribe to the theory that you can’t teach accuracy
    that's where i'm at. . . i don't care how special his physical tools are. . . packin' lunch has awesome physical abilities. . . a huge arm doesn't mean a thing if you can't do the other quarterback stuff. . . if a guy has the necessary mental acuity, you can teach him to read defenses and go through progressions, play under center, etc. . . but if a guy can't throw with touch and accuracy, i agree that it can't be coached up-- it's something you can do, or you can't. . . i don't accept excuses about allen's receivers-- plenty of other college QBs have to deal with drops also. . . you can artificially inflate ANY QB's completion percentage with ifs and buts calculations. . . i only care about the real numbers, not projections. . . he started two full years, that's enough of a sample size for me to belief that he is who his numbers say he is. . . i think it's wishful thinking to expect him to improve by leaps and bounds when playing against pro defenders. . . if some dumbass takes that kid in the top ten, they're going to be kicking themselves for years afterwards. . .

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