Thread: Joseph not ruling out starting Trevor Siemian in Week 12

Originally Posted by Northman

It would be incredibly hilarious if Siemian was to start again.

If the true intent is just to flat out tank, might not be the worst idea!

Originally Posted by dogfish

it's not accurate to say that i'd "like" to lose out. . . make no mistake, i sat in front of my TV and rooted for the schlubs to make a play. . . i absolutely do think evaluating our young players for next year should take priority over selling out to get another win or two. . . we're not getting back in the playoff hunt now, that's purely delusional thinking. . . they need to get lynch and the kids out there because it's what's best for the organization. . . i don't care about musgrave's career, he isn't here to polish his resume. . .

also, let's be honest. . . there's legitimately "tanking," and then there's admitting that you suck, and getting a leg up on the off-season is now more valuable than playing for pride. . . kids have to get reps and make mistakes to learn-- let them do it now in a season that's not going anywhere. . . almost all of our top talent is aging, this organization desperately needs to develop some fresh blood. . . this season is already lost, whether we get some more wins or not-- IMO, it just makes it into a total loss if we don't at least use what's left of it to evaluate and develop. . .

Agreed, which is why I've stated I think Lynch should start.

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

If the true intent is just to flat out tank, might not be the worst idea!

And as someone tweeted earlier:

Originally Posted by Northman

It would be incredibly hilarious if Siemian was to start again.

Hell start again. Just not in Denver..... Musgrave isn't an idiot. He's seen what Trevor had too offer and was part of why he was benched. He's also seen enough of Brock, Musgrave is likelwto be our OC next year anyway so he doesn't need to make a safe decision and try to go with the safest options over the wild card rookie with the big arm and mobility. Don't be surprised if we whip out a ton of shotgun spread offense shit offense/ read option run/pass stuff.

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

If the true intent is just to flat out tank, might not be the worst idea!

You have a point.

But we're going to lose anyway playing the pups allowing them too develop. No need for Trevor to get in the way of Paxton reps.

Originally Posted by Tned

Agreed, which is why I've stated I think Lynch should start.

and i should clarify further-- i don't think you're necessarily wrong that VJ and co. would be thinking about their job security. . . but if they are, elway needs to clunk their heads together and remind them who they work for. . .

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

Lol @ people who think McD would come in and have any say over guys like Miller and DT getting traded with Elway having full control over that stuff.

Lol @ people thinking he'd be a great HC despite evidence to the contrary.

Originally Posted by dogfish

and i should clarify further-- i don't think you're necessarily wrong that VJ and co. would be thinking about their job security. . . but if they are, elway needs to clunk their heads together and remind them who they work for. . .

Yes, that's true, but Elway also doesn't want to go back to the 10,000+ no shows they were getting the last time they totally went in the tank. There is a balancing act that Elway needs to walk between preparing for the future, and winning now, meaning next week, the week after, etc.

Originally Posted by Tned

Yes, that's true, but Elway also doesn't want to go back to the 10,000+ no shows they were getting the last time they totally went in the tank. There is a balancing act that Elway needs to walk between preparing for the future, and winning now, meaning next week, the week after, etc.

Eh most of our remaining games are on the road anyway... seriously though, if I was a ticket buying fan I wouldn’t if I knew Siemian was starting. Why put myself through that all over again? I’d rather see Lynch lose than Siemian lose. That’s the bottom line and I think most fans would agree.

Originally Posted by HORSEPOWER 56

Eh most of our remaining games are on the road anyway... seriously though, if I was a ticket buying fan I wouldn’t if I knew Siemian was starting. Why put myself through that all over again? I’d rather see Lynch lose than Siemian lose. That’s the bottom line and I think most fans would agree.

I think they should start Lynch, said that repeatedly. I was just addressing the overall fact that the front office is going to look at things a little different than fans when it comes to winning vs. losing for a better draft pick.

They take great pride in how few losing seasons they've had under Mr. Bowlen's ownership, and that lack of losing goes a long way to 73,000+ season ticket waiting list. After the bad two year stretch after McDaniel's losing ways, the renewal rates was the worst it had been in decades and what was a 15 or so year wait for season tickets dropped to the point where people that went on the list 4-6 years earlier were being called with the option to buy season tickets.

So, I'm not saying they should start Siemian, quite the opposite, but I was responding to the idea that Elway should tell VJ that this year doesn't matter, just run a six week training camp to evaluate players for next year.

Just my opinion, very likely it's wrong, but that's the way I see it.

Those No-Shows should be ashamed of themselves anyway, petulant brats.

It’s comforting to know that their NFL record sellout streak is at the mercy of 10,000 teenage girls.

Originally Posted by Tned

I think they should start Lynch, said that repeatedly. I was just addressing the overall fact that the front office is going to look at things a little different than fans when it comes to winning vs. losing for a better draft pick.

They take great pride in how few losing seasons they've had under Mr. Bowlen's ownership, and that lack of losing goes a long way to 73,000+ season ticket waiting list. After the bad two year stretch after McDaniel's losing ways, the renewal rates was the worst it had been in decades and what was a 15 or so year wait for season tickets dropped to the point where people that went on the list 4-6 years earlier were being called with the option to buy season tickets.

So, I'm not saying they should start Siemian, quite the opposite, but I was responding to the idea that Elway should tell VJ that this year doesn't matter, just run a six week training camp to evaluate players for next year.

Just my opinion, very likely it's wrong, but that's the way I see it.

So you actually think the Broncos think that we are better with lynch so well win game's....

Originally Posted by Jaded

Those No-Shows should be ashamed of themselves anyway, petulant brats.

It’s comforting to know that their NFL record sellout streak is at the mercy of 10,000 teenage girls.

Not to let facts stand in the way of a good rant, but...

The no shows don't effect the sellout streak. Around 97% of the Broncos 76,000+ seats are bought by season ticket holders. The few thousand that aren't, are sold out within hours of going on sale in late summer.

The no shows effect concessions, perception, and often then show up in decreased renewals of season tickets, but do not effect the sell out, because the Broncos have every game sold out before the season ever starts.

The fact portion of this show has now been concluded, so we are free to go back to factless rants now...

Originally Posted by DT88TheGreat

So you actually think the Broncos think that we are better with lynch so well win game's....

I can't really say. What I can say is that "I" think the Broncos should start Lynch to see what they have in him, that doesn't mean I think he gives the team the best chance to win -- he probably doesn't right now. I'm a fan, not a member of the Broncos front office. So, I can see why winning is important to them, and also feel that starting Lynch is important to me, as a fan.