Losing creates a losing culture. Hard pass.
Losing creates a losing culture. Hard pass.
I agree. Beating the Raiders helped keep the Raiders down. They lost the division title as a result, and after their playoff loss last year, they tanked this year, just not as bad as Denver because their QB is actually good, not like Denver's stiffs.
But, what would be best for the team? To get a top 3 pick, and select the best damn QB ever in Denver history (Elway was drafted but obviously by the Colts, and Manning was a FA).
Really, we get an RT that can prevent pass rushers from spinning right around him and we'll be able to manage. It would be nice to have a solid LG, but we can make due with what we've got as long as the RT stops leaking like a siv. That's our issue. Draft a QB with our top 5 pick, package some of our vast number of picks to move back into the first round and draft a stud RT and then grab a MLB or two, and some depth at other positions.
As for the LG position, I think we can safely address that by adding some more depth/competition to start via FA. I don't think it's as imperative to upgrade that position via the draft/
So too can chasing "elite" QB's if they aren't there to be had. Terrible franchises do this regularly, drafting one chump after another, wasting high draft picks on duds (like I suspect Paxton Lynch is) as the rest of the roster slowly disintegrates. If there is the next Philip Rivers or Drew Brees, even Andrew Luck in the draft by all means make your move and go for him. If its a bad QB class, or the next best available played in a spread or some such then work on the rest of your needs. If the free agent market says Kirk Cousins gets 25% of your total cap space to sign then you pass on that too. Its like quicksand; If you get desperate and panicky you'll never get out.
“What fresh hell is this?”
"A man who picks a cat up by the tail learns something which he can learn in no other way." - Mark Twain
I don't trust Elway to grab a good QB late in the first, I just don't. I hate seeing this team win...I turn into an angry jackass when we lose, but I'd feel so much better with a top 5 pick than pick 12+ if we start winning some games.
It feels dirty saying it, but I'd rather we just suck the rest of this year so that we can enjoy years and years of not sucking going forward.
YOu are absolutely right! I've thought of that and it is a problem. But, this is a rebuilding team anyway. I mean, what do you call a 5-11 team? "A losing team" right? So, they are losing anyway. They suck anyway. Their offense is horrible anyway.
I don't think any clever fan really believes that this team could win with Trevor behind a mediocre OL. Now if they had a really GOOD QB they could win. Seattle's OL has been worse than the Broncos for years now, or at least equally bad. They actually traded away their pro-bowl C Max Unger for TE Jimmy Graham. The leader of their OL , because they didn't wan to pay him! But, Russell Wilson makes them look better than they are.
Denver needs a QB like that. Fans who think that somehow magically the Broncos are going to "Fix" the OL are just delusional. The entire NFL suffers from bad OL play. Pass rushers are getting bigger and faster and better all the time. And OL are still big slow dudes who are totally outclassed athletically by the men they are going against.
Because if you are big and slow and not terribly athletic, in college you play OL. Same sized guy who has speed and agility? NO WAY he plays OL. They move him over to the DL and make him a pass-rusher. So, the best athletes rush the passer and the big fatties try to block them, often unsuccessfully.
Of course! And Tom Brady was a 6th rounder. So what? They got lucky, that's all. The Cowboys wanted to trade up ahead of Denver and grab Paxton Lynch, but didn't. Instead the Broncos got him, to Jerry Jones' chagrin, and the Cowboys wound up with DAk Prescott in the 4th round.
LUCK. You can't depend on it. The only smart thing to do is to get the odds in your favor by drafting the best prospect in the draft if you can - and that means top 5 almost every year.
Elway tried to do it the cheap way three times and the result was Osweiler, Paxton and Trevor. And none of them are any good. No surprise there, but let's not repeat that mistake again.
Get the best damn prospect in the draft if you can! The closest thing to a sure-fire-can't-miss prospect as you can find. Paxton was well regarded, but certainly not a great prospect, since Memphis did not prepare him to run a pro-style system.
Only because teams like the Browns are dumb, and decided to roll with Johnny Football instead of the clearly better player.
That being said, our first round QB looks like a bust. I'm not saying you HAVE to pick your QB in the early part of the first round, but it improves your odds - Winston, Mariota, Goff and Wentz just in the last few years all look at worst decent and at best like decade long franchise starters. Too early to say on this last class, but Watson looks the part, and he was picked twelfth. There are going to be good QB's available this year - we just have to be smart enough to pick the right guy. The Raiders were lucky enough to have their guy fall, and we traded up to select our giraffe.
You can't depend on luck anymore than you can depend on that top 5 pick QB becoming a star.
Winston isn't a stud yet.
Mariota 8tds, 10 ints.
Luck is great.
Goff looks great this year, looked like shit last year.
Wentz looks the part.
RG3 flamed out.
Jawalrus Russell??
Ryan Leaf?
Rick Miror?
Blaine Gabbert?
Vince Young?
The thing is a crap shoot.
To add to this list, Bradford and Alex Smith.
Bradford has talent and with the right team, if he can stay out of the tub, he is a QB capable of helping a team go deep in the playoffs. But he sure isn't a QB good enough to just throw a team on his back.
Alex Smith has never done anything, he has always been consistent but a franchise caliber QB? This year maybe...
The Plan at the moment:
Draft: Trade a 3rd and 6th this year to a team to move up and get a 2nd next year (this will happen).
Players I want:
Jake Ferguson (Jake Butt) or Jelani Woods or Jeremy Ruckert or Cade Otten (owen daniels) at TE- All 4th rd or later.
Troy Anderson LB 3rd/4th rd (yay Timmy!)
Neil Farrell, JR DL- run stuffer- bye purcell
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