Thread: Vance Joseph accepts blame for Broncos' skid

ENGLEWOOD - Lose like the Broncos did against the Philadelphia Eagles, and blame is no longer directed at the quarterback, or offensive line.

It’s bigger than that.

The guy catching some flak now is the head coach.

To Vance Joseph’s credit, he is accepting blame to the point he admits changes to his coaching methods must be made.

“Well, you have to change something,’’ Joseph said. “We can’t continue to go down the same path and expect different results. That’s insanity, right? So we have to change something whether it’s personnel, whether it’s how we game plan, how we call plays, how we play as a football team together, offensively and defensively and (special) teams together. That’s also a thought. But, I’ve got to figure it out. That’s obviously being explored.’’

This is not Josh McDaniels, who seven and eight years ago was too volatile to lead a room full of men.

Joseph has a strong presence. He has a straightforward, calm, composed delivery.

He was asked specifically if he was satisfied with the offensive play-calling

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Originally Posted by Denver Native (Carol)

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“Well, you have to change something,’’ Joseph said. “We can’t continue to go down the same path and expect different results. That’s insanity, right? So we have to change something whether it’s personnel, whether it’s how we game plan, how we call plays, how we play as a football team together, offensively and defensively and (special) teams together. That’s also a thought. But, I’ve got to figure it out. That’s obviously being explored.’’

That lends credence to the rumors from 104.3 that we're switching from McCoy's offense to Musgraves.

Originally Posted by Freyaka

That lends credence to the rumors from 104.3 that we're switching from McCoy's offense to Musgraves.

If that is true, does that mean that McCoy is out?

Originally Posted by Denver Native (Carol)

If that is true, does that mean that McCoy is out?

You would think he would have to be...You wouldn't want McCoy calling Musgrave's offense, what good does that do? The problem isn't McCoy's scheme, it's his playcalling so you would have to assume if you are switching to Musgrave's offense, you'd also give him playcalling duties, but who knows...Hopefully we'll start hearing more information soon.

They could always promote McCoy to offensive assistant HC, give Musgrave playcalling and OC duties and still keep them all involved.

What is McCoy's grade through 8 games anyway? I'd guess it's a D or a C. I understand his personnel limitations, but still...

I'll leave this to someone with more insight.

Video with Mark Schlereth on 104.3 the fan - interesting

http://1043thefan.com/162948/schlere...age-formation/

Originally Posted by Denver Native (Carol)

Video with Mark Schlereth on 104.3 the fan - interesting

http://1043thefan.com/162948/schlere...age-formation/

And we don't have a QB that could ever get to the third read (and prolly not the second).

The system has to be adjusted to fit the personnel. That is the issue. Dumb down the offense and grind it out. That is the only chance they have...at least for this season.

Isn't McCoy famous for successfully adjusting Scheme to personnel?

Maybe it wasn't the scheme after all...

Originally Posted by wayninja

Isn't McCoy famous for successfully adjusting Scheme to personnel?

Maybe it wasn't the scheme after all...

That’s what I thought

Originally Posted by Denver Native (Carol)

Video with Mark Schlereth on 104.3 the fan - interesting

http://1043thefan.com/162948/schlere...age-formation/

Ugh. Limiting the offense severely by personnel.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

Ugh. Limiting the offense severely by personnel.

Sometimes you gain by subtraction.

Although Schlereth didn't give any evidence that 12 (or 21 or 22) personnel would be any more successful at anything.

Originally Posted by NightTrainLayne

Sometimes you gain by subtraction.

Although Schlereth didn't give any evidence that 12 (or 21 or 22) personnel would be any more successful at anything.

He's advocating for just turning into a power run team pretty exclusively. That's fine. The quarterbacks aren't really good enough to run a multiple offense effectively. I just hate that offense. The personnel actually limits what you can do and takes all your speed off the field. I understand why they would do that, though.

Originally Posted by wayninja

Isn't McCoy famous for successfully adjusting Scheme to personnel?

Maybe it wasn't the scheme after all...

If you give him credit for Tebow's wins, yeah. That is what that nonsense is based on.

MO, we're limited by our personnel regardless of who's on the field. . .