Thread: WATCH: Chad Kelly practices for first time with Broncos

Originally Posted by Broncoknight30

Well, Sloter did all of that. He outperformed everyone and he was let go. That is due to the economics.

If the Broncos let go Oz, and Siemian is not brought back, I seriously doubt they will be going into TC thinking the battle will be between Kelly and Lynch.

That won't happen, which means they would be planning on drafting yet another QB in the first round, or signing a high priced FA. Either way the economics will not allow Kelly to have a realistic opportumity.

Maybe I misread your first sentence, but Sloter wasn't let go for any economic reason. They chose not to outbid MN, but then a week later the Broncos gave a RB even more money than Sloter got to sign to their practice squad.

Who knows whether or not they would have kept him on the active roster if Lynch hadn't gotten hurt and they then signed Brock, but based on the fact they weren't willing to match MN's offer, all indications are they wouldn't have.

Siemian beat out a first round draft pick, so there is no reason to believe that if the Broncos draft a QB and don't think he's ready to start (not uncommon with QBs), that Kelly could win the starting job. Now, presumably, if it's a high draft pick, then Kelly would be considered a seat warmer, but he would absolutely have the chance to win the job.

Lynch would’ve beat out Siemian if it wasn’t for Mike McCoy and his horrible coaching.

Originally Posted by jaded

lynch would’ve beat out siemian if it wasn’t for mike mccoy and his horrible coaching.

Originally Posted by Broncoknight30 View Post
Well, Sloter did all of that. He outperformed everyone and he was let go. That is due to the economics.

If the Broncos let go Oz, and Siemian is not brought back, I seriously doubt they will be going into TC thinking the battle will be between Kelly and Lynch.

That won't happen, which means they would be planning on drafting yet another QB in the first round, or signing a high priced FA. Either way the economics will not allow Kelly to have a realistic opportumity.

Maybe I misread your first sentence, but Sloter wasn't let go for any economic reason. They chose not to outbid MN, but then a week later the Broncos gave a RB even more money than Sloter got to sign to their practice squad.

Who knows whether or not they would have kept him on the active roster if Lynch hadn't gotten hurt and they then signed Brock, but based on the fact they weren't willing to match MN's offer, all indications are they wouldn't have.

Siemian beat out a first round draft pick, so there is no reason to believe that if the Broncos draft a QB and don't think he's ready to start (not uncommon with QBs), that Kelly could win the starting job. Now, presumably, if it's a high draft pick, then Kelly would be considered a seat warmer, but he would absolutely have the chance to win the job.

Sloter was considered "just a guy" by absolutely everybody except Broncos fans. That's why he was let go. The coaches and John Elway did not see the same "potential" that fans did. You keep pointing to the pre-season games, but there are a bunch of practices that are not open to the public and Sloter apparently sucked at those.

So, they already had 3 young "developmental" QBs on the roster in Brock, Trevor and Paxton, in addition to Kelly who is a long term project. They didn't frankly need another long term project. There's only so many developmental QBs who aren't ready to play they can carry on the roster.

I heard some idiot just absolutely burned by Ray Crockett on the radio because he insisted that Sloter was the best QB on the roster last pre-season. Pre-season is meaningless. We should know that from watching Trevor this summer. If only the pre-season counted, he'd be a hall of fame candidate!

Time to forget about Kyle Friggin' Sloter. There will be plenty of time to crucify Elway if Sloter ever becomes a star in the NFL. Don't hold your breath.

As for next year, obviously if the team loses 10 or 11 games this year, they are drafting a QB. The opportunity to have your pick of maybe 3 of the top 5 1st round QB prospects. They can keep Paxton on the roster as an insurance project, and they still have Trevor under contract for another season for dirt cheap.

If Elway concludes that they are a rebuilding team he will dump salary (DT, Talib), and go out and draft a franchise QB, and try and rebuild from the ground up. That's what 5-11, 6-10 teams do.

If you go 5-11 you are NOT a "re-boot not a re-building team."

As for Paxton, they are considering moving to more of a spread offense. But do the Broncos want to move to a system where the QB is a live target on every play? We saw that with RGIII. It can work for a while, but long term the QB takes too much of a beating to want to use that system.

This is because franchise QBs cost more than $20M a year these days and you don't want your $20M QB running around taking giant shots from defenders like Joey Bosa, Kalil Mack, Justin HOuston, Melvin Ingram, etc. Their career will be too short if they do that.

Quote Originally Posted by jaded View Post
lynch would’ve beat out siemian if it wasn’t for mike mccoy and his horrible coaching.

Paxton would have beaten out Trevor if he didn't suck, if he had any brains at all and could learn to read NFL defenses, and if Trevor had been another pirate!

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Originally Posted by Cugel

Paxton would have beaten out Trevor if he didn't suck, if he had any brains at all and could learn to read NFL defenses, and if Trevor had been another pirate!

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Nope, it’s all McCoys fault, that’s the new narrative that I’m starting. Your endorsement is not required.

Edit; actually your endorsement is not wanted.

Originally Posted by Cugel

Sloter was considered "just a guy" by absolutely everybody except Broncos fans. That's why he was let go. The coaches and John Elway did not see the same "potential" that fans did. You keep pointing to the pre-season games, but there are a bunch of practices that are not open to the public and Sloter apparently sucked at those.

So, they already had 3 young "developmental" QBs on the roster in Brock, Trevor and Paxton, in addition to Kelly who is a long term project. They didn't frankly need another long term project. There's only so many developmental QBs who aren't ready to play they can carry on the roster.

I heard some idiot just absolutely burned by Ray Crockett on the radio because he insisted that Sloter was the best QB on the roster last pre-season. Pre-season is meaningless. We should know that from watching Trevor this summer. If only the pre-season counted, he'd be a hall of fame candidate!

Time to forget about Kyle Friggin' Sloter. There will be plenty of time to crucify Elway if Sloter ever becomes a star in the NFL. Don't hold your breath.

As for next year, obviously if the team loses 10 or 11 games this year, they are drafting a QB. The opportunity to have your pick of maybe 3 of the top 5 1st round QB prospects. They can keep Paxton on the roster as an insurance project, and they still have Trevor under contract for another season for dirt cheap.

If Elway concludes that they are a rebuilding team he will dump salary (DT, Talib), and go out and draft a franchise QB, and try and rebuild from the ground up. That's what 5-11, 6-10 teams do.

If you go 5-11 you are NOT a "re-boot not a re-building team."

As for Paxton, they are considering moving to more of a spread offense. But do the Broncos want to move to a system where the QB is a live target on every play? We saw that with RGIII. It can work for a while, but long term the QB takes too much of a beating to want to use that system.

This is because franchise QBs cost more than $20M a year these days and you don't want your $20M QB running around taking giant shots from defenders like Joey Bosa, Kalil Mack, Justin HOuston, Melvin Ingram, etc. Their career will be too short if they do that.

Yes, just to go over this one more time about Sloter. We know he probably will never make it. That is the truth. No one is disagreeing with that. The point is in regards to Kelly is Sloter (no matter how we want to deny it) outperformed every QB on this roster in TC and through preseason. He played better against the exact same talent as Lynch. He technically had the highest passer rating of any QB in the NFL in preseason.

What does all of that mean? Not much when considering the economic reality of the hard cap and the implications of each salary. Is it that simple? Yes, it truly tends to be that simple. The only true chance that a long long long shot like Sloter would be is too long to have any real shot. He was not a 7th round pick. He was not drafted. He basically drew NO SALARY.

We may think that is not a factor, well that is very very naive. The economics is as important or more important than any other issue on every team. Unfortunately for us fans, we are not privy to A LOT of that information and even if we were, it often takes people with an MBA to explain it.

The basics of it is Sloter had ZERO CHANCE regardless of how he performed. He was told that, and they meant that. The basic same situation is the reality in regards to Kelly. Right now as it stands, it would take a real miracle for Kelly to have a legit shot and it goes beyond outperforming everyone on the field.

Trust that.

Keep in mind if not for Mo Lewis hitting Bledsoe and injuring him, there is a distinct possibility we would not have heard of Tom Brady unless you were a Michigan Wolverine fanatic.

Originally Posted by Cugel

Sloter was considered "just a guy" by absolutely everybody except Broncos fans. That's why he was let go. The coaches and John Elway did not see the same "potential" that fans did. You keep pointing to the pre-season games, but there are a bunch of practices that are not open to the public and Sloter apparently sucked at those.

Exactly, they can only be wrong about so many QB's at any given time.

Originally Posted by Tned

Maybe I misread your first sentence, but Sloter wasn't let go for any economic reason. They chose not to outbid MN, but then a week later the Broncos gave a RB even more money than Sloter got to sign to their practice squad.

Who knows whether or not they would have kept him on the active roster if Lynch hadn't gotten hurt and they then signed Brock, but based on the fact they weren't willing to match MN's offer, all indications are they wouldn't have.

Siemian beat out a first round draft pick, so there is no reason to believe that if the Broncos draft a QB and don't think he's ready to start (not uncommon with QBs), that Kelly could win the starting job. Now, presumably, if it's a high draft pick, then Kelly would be considered a seat warmer, but he would absolutely have the chance to win the job.

We all know.why Trevor beat out lynch and it wasn't about Trevor bring any good, he just lookedbetter in practice like a Orton with blanks firing they are decent hut only in practice. I guarantee he wouldn't beat out lynch next year in the off season because lynch is about to get the same kind of game experience Trevor got.

Kelly will have a shot at competing but it's likely that hell be behind the 8 ball when It comes too having the live bullet experience lynch is about too get. Unless Kelly is mentally Carson wentz, andrew luck type of quarterback who can dominate the playbook and film he won't sniff the number one spot week 1 next year. I think the year after is when hell have a legitimate chance to compete.

Originally Posted by Jaded

Lynch would’ve beat out Siemian if it wasn’t for Mike McCoy and his horrible coaching.

This!

McCoy put lynch behind the 8 ball because who could possibly develop as a raw rookie under McCoy.

Originally Posted by Cugel

Sloter was considered "just a guy" by absolutely everybody except Broncos fans. That's why he was let go. The coaches and John Elway did not see the same "potential" that fans did. You keep pointing to the pre-season games, but there are a bunch of practices that are not open to the public and Sloter apparently sucked at those.

So, they already had 3 young "developmental" QBs on the roster in Brock, Trevor and Paxton, in addition to Kelly who is a long term project. They didn't frankly need another long term project. There's only so many developmental QBs who aren't ready to play they can carry on the roster.

I heard some idiot just absolutely burned by Ray Crockett on the radio because he insisted that Sloter was the best QB on the roster last pre-season. Pre-season is meaningless. We should know that from watching Trevor this summer. If only the pre-season counted, he'd be a hall of fame candidate!

Time to forget about Kyle Friggin' Sloter. There will be plenty of time to crucify Elway if Sloter ever becomes a star in the NFL. Don't hold your breath.

As for next year, obviously if the team loses 10 or 11 games this year, they are drafting a QB. The opportunity to have your pick of maybe 3 of the top 5 1st round QB prospects. They can keep Paxton on the roster as an insurance project, and they still have Trevor under contract for another season for dirt cheap.

If Elway concludes that they are a rebuilding team he will dump salary (DT, Talib), and go out and draft a franchise QB, and try and rebuild from the ground up. That's what 5-11, 6-10 teams do.

If you go 5-11 you are NOT a "re-boot not a re-building team."

As for Paxton, they are considering moving to more of a spread offense. But do the Broncos want to move to a system where the QB is a live target on every play? We saw that with RGIII. It can work for a while, but long term the QB takes too much of a beating to want to use that system.

This is because franchise QBs cost more than $20M a year these days and you don't want your $20M QB running around taking giant shots from defenders like Joey Bosa, Kalil Mack, Justin HOuston, Melvin Ingram, etc. Their career will be too short if they do that.

Get a grip cugel plenty teams run spread offense, brady ran it for hundreds of years, manning made it legendary. There is nothing wrong with the spread offense as long as you are good at it. Good coaches adapt and tweak there system too what's going to bring out the best in his guy's and there are quite a few talents on.offense that comes from spread offenses from DT, McKenzie, Henderson, cjI Anderson, booker, the RB henderson, and I believe bolles played in the spread? Musgrave is doing the right thing getting his quarterback in something familiar, rather than sticking with anything McCoy installed. Trash that entire shit.

Originally Posted by Cugel

Paxton would have beaten out Trevor if he didn't suck, if he had any brains at all and could learn to read NFL defenses, and if Trevor had been another pirate!

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Trevor can read defense's?

Originally Posted by Cugel

Sloter was considered "just a guy" by absolutely everybody except Broncos fans. That's why he was let go. The coaches and John Elway did not see the same "potential" that fans did. You keep pointing to the pre-season games, but there are a bunch of practices that are not open to the public and Sloter apparently sucked at those.

So, they already had 3 young "developmental" QBs on the roster in Brock, Trevor and Paxton, in addition to Kelly who is a long term project. They didn't frankly need another long term project. There's only so many developmental QBs who aren't ready to play they can carry on the roster.

I heard some idiot just absolutely burned by Ray Crockett on the radio because he insisted that Sloter was the best QB on the roster last pre-season. Pre-season is meaningless. We should know that from watching Trevor this summer. If only the pre-season counted, he'd be a hall of fame candidate!

Time to forget about Kyle Friggin' Sloter. There will be plenty of time to crucify Elway if Sloter ever becomes a star in the NFL. Don't hold your breath.

As for next year, obviously if the team loses 10 or 11 games this year, they are drafting a QB. The opportunity to have your pick of maybe 3 of the top 5 1st round QB prospects. They can keep Paxton on the roster as an insurance project, and they still have Trevor under contract for another season for dirt cheap.

If Elway concludes that they are a rebuilding team he will dump salary (DT, Talib), and go out and draft a franchise QB, and try and rebuild from the ground up. That's what 5-11, 6-10 teams do.

If you go 5-11 you are NOT a "re-boot not a re-building team."

As for Paxton, they are considering moving to more of a spread offense. But do the Broncos want to move to a system where the QB is a live target on every play? We saw that with RGIII. It can work for a while, but long term the QB takes too much of a beating to want to use that system.

This is because franchise QBs cost more than $20M a year these days and you don't want your $20M QB running around taking giant shots from defenders like Joey Bosa, Kalil Mack, Justin HOuston, Melvin Ingram, etc. Their career will be too short if they do that.

I am far from a Sloter truther - but it was a questionable decision to not protect him at the time, and it only looks worse with our QB struggles as the year goes on. Brock is not an NFL QB - at least Sloter has potential. We went with the "win now" move thinking that it was more important to get a backup with experience - and now we find ourselves in rebuilding mode and would love to have a guy with potential upside.

In other words - it's perfectly reasonable to be skeptical whether Sloter ever works out or not in the NFL - but I don't think we are in any position to be smugly dismissing him either.

Sloter... Really? At least Kelly is still in the Roster.