Thread: Fire Vance Joseph

Originally Posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor

Even thought the players might not want to play for him?

Players want to get paid. They will play for whomever the coach is.

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

Players want to get paid. They will play for whomever the coach is.

They will play, but will they PLAY

Three is a difference, and that is one of the things that make a good coach. Kubiak for example, his players played for him, they didn't just collect wages

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

Players want to get paid. They will play for whomever the coach is.

To a point, yes

Originally Posted by Davii

Same record at the point McD was fired and VJ isn't cheating while still losing. He also shows up to work when he agrees to. McD would be a strict downgrade.

You really think the cheating had any impact on McMoron's record? He just cheated because that was the Patriot way, not because it really gave him that much of an advantage. His attitude was "why not cheat? We always cheated in New England and almost always got away with it, so it's not even an issue."

Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis

They will play, but will they PLAY

Three is a difference, and that is one of the things that make a good coach. Kubiak for example, his players played for him, they didn't just collect wages

When the coach sucks and is getting fired, the players might say all the right things in public, but they are calling their agents asking about what teams might be interested in them for next season. "Get me out of here!" Guys start playing for themselves, to create some highlights for their agent to promote them to new teams, and to avoid injury so they maximize their free market value.

The goal is no longer winning, and doing whatever it takes to win, and playing for your teammates, it's looking good on tape.

Originally Posted by Cugel

Hasn't he been diagnosed with senile dementia? He was the worst coach in the NFL for years, and when he finally got fired, people wondered why it had taken so long.

Hey, weren’t you the one saying Fisher made Keenum suck?

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

I don’t understand why this is a thing. Lovie Smith, John Harbaugh, Jeff Fisher, John Fox, Gary Kubiak...why do we want this retread thing?

Find innovators. Do your research, find guys that have the ability to manage the team, coach and hire coordinators who will innovate.

Lincoln Riley, Matt LaFleur, Eric Bienemy, Matt Campbell, Kliff Kingsbury. We shouldn’t be stuck in 1998.

Matt Campbell just signed an 8 year extension.

No more retreads. No more ******* defensive minded coaches. No more old folks. No more guys who would look at Keenum and see 'potential'.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

I don’t understand why this is a thing. Lovie Smith, John Harbaugh, Jeff Fisher, John Fox, Gary Kubiak...why do we want this retread thing?

Find innovators. Do your research, find guys that have the ability to manage the team, coach and hire coordinators who will innovate.

Lincoln Riley, Matt LaFleur, Eric Bienemy, Matt Campbell, Kliff Kingsbury. We shouldn’t be stuck in 1998.

Defilipo was on this list just a few months ago. Funny thing about coaches, its hard to identify the next great one.

Also, don't talk shit about Kubes.

Originally Posted by slim

Defilipo was on this list just a few months ago. Funny thing about coaches, its hard to identify the next great one.

Also, don't talk shit about Kubes.

The NFL is funny.

Seriously, don't do it

Originally Posted by King87

The NFL is funny.

Indeed.

Originally Posted by slim

Indeed.

Is it talking shit to not want him as a OC or HC?

Originally Posted by King87

Is it talking shit to not want him as a OC or HC?

I guess it depends on your delivery.

Originally Posted by slim

I guess it depends on your delivery.

I do not think he is a great fit for either position in 2018.