Thread: Fire Vance Joseph

Right. Everyone wants to blame TS solely but hes not alone. What for an OLine that is deficient in every way. What about the drops? The constant pressure? The fumbles? The indecisiveness?

Siemein is shell shocked out there because of the pounding he has taken. I cant believe he's even alive.

Is Oz is going to solve these issues by himself? No.

Originally Posted by Jaded

I’ve been on TS’s side this whole time, I had plans to trade TS for a high draft pick after he’s SB MVP. I’m still ok with letting him play it out.

Clearly it’s his critics who’ve been watching with their hearts.

12-4. Super Bowl. Still in play. Clear brain, no heart. Can't lose.

The line never forced him to throw across his body or to massively under throw a receiver, neither did Joseph.

We now know unequivocally that siemian is terrible, that's not a small problem, it's a massive problem.

I am all in on your harbaugh idea though lol

Originally Posted by Shazam!

Right. Everyone wants to blame TS solely but hes not alone. What for an OLine that is deficient in every way. What about the drops? The constant pressure? The fumbles? The indecisiveness?

Siemein is shell shocked out there because of the pounding he has taken. I cant believe he's even alive.

Is Oz is going to solve these issues by himself? No.

No one is blaming solely Trevor Siemian for the offensive woes. But to say a quarterback is only a small part of the problem is utterly absurd.

He's missing receivers by five yards at a time, he had a passer rating of 6.9 at halftime. He threw three interceptions. It's not the offensive line's fault every damn time. Are they a great line, of course they aren't. Are they anywhere near as bad as you have said they are - "worst I've ever seen" - absolutely not. They're not even close to the worst line in the league THIS YEAR.

Could receivers help him more by getting more separation and catching passes? Of course.

The running game? This team ran for 160 yards when it trailed the entire game past the 10:00 mark in the first quarter. That ain't the problem.

Let's take a look at Siemian's three interceptions: underthrown deep ball (for what, the 80th time?), an overthrown deep ball (for what, the 100th time), a stupid-ass desperation heave to Thomas in double coverage while on the run? None of those three things have to do with the offensive line, the receivers and it sure as heck doesn't have anything to do with the coaches. There isn't a single coach that would ever advise throwing that pass that turned into an INT on the scramble. There's like six guys ever who could complete that pass and one is sitting in the booth upstairs. It blows my mind that this awful quarterback is calling signals for his team.

I will fault Joseph for this: Not making a change. I will fault him for not making changes anywhere else. But he benched Charles until late in the game for the early fumble - and rightly so - why does he continue to run out this shitty ass quarterback? Ultimately, that could be a fireable offense, it's not now.

RB Jammal Charles, KR/PR McKenize, QB Siemian blew Broncos' chance to win.

Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis

The line never forced him to throw across his body or to massively under throw a receiver, neither did Joseph.

We now know unequivocally that siemian is terrible, that's not a small problem, it's a massive problem.

I am all in on your harbaugh idea though lol

He was desperately trying to make a play. It was an awful throw, he should have thrown it away.

However: KC sent four. Watson got MAULED on that play. Their 4 vs Denvers Five. He wanted to TRY something and get rid of the ball so he doesnt get HIT again.

My God. Yo I get it he isnt playing well at all BUT he is a product of an offensive line that is one of the worst ive ever seen. He is shell shocked from the beatings hes taken. I dont understand how people don't see this and think its part of the problem.

Originally Posted by Shazam!

He was desperately trying to make a play. It was an awful throw, he should have thrown it away.

However: KC sent four. Watson got MAULED on that play. Their 4 vs Denvers Five. He wanted to TRY something and get rid of the ball so he doesnt get HIT again.

My God. Yo I get it he isnt playing well at all BUT he is a product of an offensive line that is one of the worst ive ever seen. He is shell shocked from the beatings hes taken. I dont understand how people don't see this and think its part of the problem.

You're blaming the line for that play?

Wow. Just wow.

Originally Posted by Shazam!

He was desperately trying to make a play. It was an awful throw, he should have thrown it away.

However: KC sent four. Watson got MAULED on that play. Their 4 vs Denvers Five. He wanted to TRY something and get rid of the ball so he doesnt get HIT again.

My God. Yo I get it he isnt playing well at all BUT he is a product of an offensive line that is one of the worst ive ever seen. He is shell shocked from the beatings hes taken. I dont understand how people don't see this and think its part of the problem.

I get that is part of the problem, I just think our qbs lack of talent is a bigger problem

How great a job did Kubiak do in hindsight winning a SB with the shell of Peyton Manning (plus terrible OL), and going 9-7 last year with what amounted to two rookie QB’s having to play? Should have been 10-6 but KC screwjob.

VJ is a pretty lousy coach in comparison and losing Wade Phillips just compounded the lunacy.

Trevor is bad.....like, really really bad right now. He literally stares down 1 read. It's Orton without the vision (insert laughter here). It's Tebow without the legs. It's ******* horrible. I don't think there is a snowballs chance in hell we fire VJ, but with even subpar QB play we had a shot tonight. Put in OZ damnit!! Trevor is a gritty dude, but he is 100% rubbish right now.

Don't worry guys...it'll be ok....everyone just needs to calm down..........


.....BECAUSE WE JUST HAVE THE 7-1 ******* EAGLES TO PLAY NEXT!!!

You guys all know that VJ isn’t going anywhere right? He’s a rookie head coach. He’ll get 2-3 years minimum.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

Originally Posted by Shazam!

He was desperately trying to make a play. It was an awful throw, he should have thrown it away.

However: KC sent four. Watson got MAULED on that play. Their 4 vs Denvers Five. He wanted to TRY something and get rid of the ball so he doesnt get HIT again.

My God. Yo I get it he isnt playing well at all BUT he is a product of an offensive line that is one of the worst ive ever seen. He is shell shocked from the beatings hes taken. I dont understand how people don't see this and think its part of the problem.

You're blaming the line for that play?

Wow. Just wow.

Somehow had some photos of Siemians INTs and he had perfect protection. Ron Leary I think is ranked #2 in the whole NFL for protection right now. Even our rookie LT has been better than expected. Trevor is just making terrible decisions. I gave him all the benifit of the doubt but he has been a disaster.


Kyle Orton 2.0

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

Siemian is awful. He's a massive part of the problem. The offensive line and the running game was just fine tonight. The quarterback was not.

But what's worse? Having a QB as awful as Siemian, or a coach who has flat out said he refuses to bench him? Siemian can't help how awful he is. Joseph can control who starts though. It ultimately falls on him.

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

But what's worse? Having a QB as awful as Siemian, or a coach who has flat out said he refuses to bench him? Siemian can't help how awful he is. Joseph can control who starts though. It ultimately falls on him.

Joseph is quoted as saying "anything is possible" when asked about the QB after the game. That's a change from his "Trevor is our guy" stuff. He's going to make a change. The question is whether he starts Oz or just waits until Lynch is ready in a week or two and goes right to him.