Thread: Fire Vance Joseph

I have done no research on this.... What was hoodie first season in NE like? And had he just been fired from the Browns in his first head coaching gig?

Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis

I have done no research on this.... What was hoodie first season in NE like? And had he just been fired from the Browns in his first head coaching gig?

I think he went back to NY as DC after the Browns fired him. Not sure for how long.

NFL head coaches with most wins, modern

First year HC, age, record

Belichek, 39, 6-10
Shula, 33, 8-6
Landry, 36, 0-11-1
Schottenheimer, 41, 4-4 then 8-8
Chuck Noll, 39, 1-13
Reeves, 37, 10-6
Chuck Knox, 41, 12-2
Andy Reid, 41, 5-11
Jeff Fisher, 36, 1-5 then 7-9
Parcells, 42, 3-12-1
Coughlin, 49, 4-12
Shanahan, 36, 7-9
Holmgren, 44, 9-7

Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis

I have done no research on this.... What was hoodie first season in NE like? And had he just been fired from the Browns in his first head coaching gig?

Hoodie was the Giants DC for like 5 years before he went to the Browns as HC and won 2 SB with the Giants. Coached for 4 years as the Browns HC and was 36-44 with one playoff trip. His last year he was fired after going 5-11. Went 5-11 his first year with the Patriots.

He had an established run as a good assistant under Parcells and had been a head coach so I can see why the Patriots gave him some time.

If we had hired McCoy then it would make sense to give him a couple of years do to his history, but I just can't see it with VJ.

I thought Shanny went 8-8 his first year?

Something else to think about. How many of those coaches took over a losing team? VJ took over a 9-7 team.

Went back to Parcells, first at NE and then with the Jets.

Originally Posted by BigDaddyBronco

If he doesn't win 6 games I would fire him.

2 reasons. One he had a game where we scored 0 points (hasn't happened to us since 1992 when we lost to the Eagles 30-0). Two he gave up 51 against Philly (we haven't given up 50 points since we McDaniels lost 59-14 to the Raiders in 2010).

That puts him in terrible company. He has possibly had the team quit on him or he just hasn't made the adjustments in the coaching staff to be competitive. Sometimes it just makes sense to cut your loses early.

At least you are talking about firing Joseph after the season rather than during it. I can see that happening if the team totally quit on VJ and they don't win another game or perhaps 1 game the last 8.

But, realistically, tanking this season is the only way forward for the future. They need a franchise QB desperately, and not some guy who projects as a late 1st or high 2nd round pick. No projects. They need a bona-fide blue chip top flight prospect who can step in first season and not totally suck.

Kind of the anti-Paxton if you will.

Originally Posted by Cugel

At least you are talking about firing Joseph after the season rather than during it. I can see that happening if the team totally quit on VJ and they don't win another game or perhaps 1 game the last 8.

But, realistically, tanking this season is the only way forward for the future. They need a franchise QB desperately, and not some guy who projects as a late 1st or high 2nd round pick. No projects. They need a bona-fide blue chip top flight prospect who can step in first season and not totally suck.

Kind of the anti-Paxton if you will.

Yea, after the season. If he and Elway made a deal to tank, like start playing Lynch the last 6 games, then maybe bring him back. If they are trying and they go 2-6 the last 8 games or 0-8, he isn't going to help with the rebuild.

So what if we are a top 10 draft pick, but like 8 or 9 and don't get a chance at the top 3 or 4 QB's. Then what? Best LT and move Bowles to RT?

Originally Posted by BigDaddyBronco

So what if we are a top 10 draft pick, but like 8 or 9 and don't get a chance at the top 3 or 4 QB's. Then what? Best LT and move Bowles to RT?

Depends on if they have one guy they love at QB and if he'll be there. If we have a top ten pick, we can pay huge to move up (like the Eagles did for Wentz, for example). If we like the 3rd QB, whoever that is, he's probably going to be there at 10. The third QB didn't come off the board until pick 12 last year. It was pick 26 the year before (Lynch!) and pick 75 the year before that. I still think that should be our primary focus, but like I said, I don't know who they would be interested in by that point.

Originally Posted by BigDaddyBronco

So what if we are a top 10 draft pick, but like 8 or 9 and don't get a chance at the top 3 or 4 QB's. Then what? Best LT and move Bowles to RT?

If you are that close, move up to get your guy.

Originally Posted by slim

If you are that close, move up to get your guy.

I don't know if any of these guys are our guy. Hopefully we can get a decent starter out of the draft, I have a feeling we'll **** it up.

I'm fine giving VaJ the remainder of the season, but I don't expect much will come of it. He can't coach. As the DC of the 29th ranked Defense, I thought that would have been obvious. This is a mistake that should not be repeated.

I have no ill will towards VaJ, he's a CU guy, but he never should have gotten the job, and Elway continues to get infatuations with people that suck at what they do.

Originally Posted by weazel

Hire Vance Johnson

Hire Bob Vance, Vance Refrigeration