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    Quote Originally Posted by Davii View Post
    I have no doubt that the "No Fly Zone" will turn back to dominant once our young safeties have some more experience under their belts. Yes, they both have more athletic skill than TJ possessed at this point in time, however, they aren't TJ, they still have some learning to do.

    Also, once we Have Shane Ray back I think our pass rush will get an extra jump, and the longer Joe Woods is calling the D shots the better he'll get at it. I don't think because we're stuffing the run we'll be mediocre against the pass... We were bad against the run last year because we were bad against the run, not because we were the #1 pass D.
    I'd say you have it backwards. We were great against the pass because we were great against the pass with Aqub Talib & Chris Harris. But, the two things are interrelated.

    Even if your secondary is great, you will NOT be #1 against the pass if teams can't run on your defense at all - like teams cannot run at all on the 2017 Broncos, because the DL with Gotsis, Wolfe, and Pecko is playing like so many werewolves. So, what are they going to do?

    Test the no-fly zone. With what result? Mixed. If they throw more they will get more completions and more yards, but they're also taking more chances and will probably suffer more turnovers. But, the statistical ranking of the defense is based on passing yards allowed.

    That's the official measure of being the NFL's #1 defense: you gave up fewer passing yards than anybody else. Well, they're unlikely to be that for the third year in a row. They're not close to #1 now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cugel View Post
    I'd say you have it backwards. We were great against the pass because we were great against the pass with Aqub Talib & Chris Harris. But, the two things are interrelated.

    Even if your secondary is great, you will NOT be #1 against the pass if teams can't run on your defense at all - like teams cannot run at all on the 2017 Broncos, because the DL with Gotsis, Wolfe, and Pecko is playing like so many werewolves. So, what are they going to do?

    Test the no-fly zone. With what result? Mixed. If they throw more they will get more completions and more yards, but they're also taking more chances and will probably suffer more turnovers. But, the statistical ranking of the defense is based on passing yards allowed.

    That's the official measure of being the NFL's #1 defense: you gave up fewer passing yards than anybody else. Well, they're unlikely to be that for the third year in a row. They're not close to #1 now.
    Thatís all true, but the fact is teams have more time to throw this year. Our pass rush isnít as good as it was. Last year we had both Ray and Ware. This year we have neither.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor View Post
    That’s all true, but the fact is teams have more time to throw this year. Our pass rush isn’t as good as it was. Last year we had both Ray and Ware. This year we have neither.
    Ray is coming back and should be a serious factor in the second half of the season, assuming he can stay healthy. That is just huge because he forces teams to re-think automatically double and triple teaming Von Miller on every play, because Ray will hurt their QB if they leave him against a single OT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cugel View Post
    Ray is coming back and should be a serious factor in the second half of the season, assuming he can stay healthy. That is just huge because he forces teams to re-think automatically double and triple teaming Von Miller on every play, because Ray will hurt their QB if they leave him against a single OT.
    Agreed, which will also benefit Barrett who seems to excel in a rotational role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denver Native (Carol) View Post
    It is great that the defense is now shutting down the run. Does anyone feel that could mean that by shutting down the run, it is taking away somewhat from shutting down the pass?
    most definitely it would have some positive impact for the defense in the secondary and at the LOS...
    this is all I have at this time.

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