Thread: Broncos hire Gary Kubiak as scout advisor

Originally Posted by Buff

It's a nicer story if Kubiak sails off into the sunset due to health issues - I think we all just want to believe that nice clean narrative.

The reality is just slightly more complicated where he didn't want to overhaul his offense and his offensive coaching staff in the midst of also being his age and having health issues - and he is a man of such high integrity that he saw the right thing to do was to step aside.

Clearly health was an issue - but if health was the only issue then he doesn't talk about how he's not retiring and looking for his next challenge at his exit press conference.

Agree to disagree. It was obvious when he had health issues that he was going to have to step down as HC (in fact I said so when it happened). There was no other possible outcome.

Originally Posted by Buff

I am an imperfect messenger because I'm so insufferable.

My only point is that if Kubiak had the #1 offense in the league last year he'd still be our head coach. Reasonable folks can disagree.

Well, if your aunt had balls, she'd be your uncle. Or, maybe he preferred to be a woman.

I'm not sure what I'm saying here.

Buff: Working relationships that also are friendship and brotherhood relationships are more complicated than just 'everything is good or bad'.

Everyone else: NOPE!

Originally Posted by underrated29

Buff can win.

But retiring from coaching, one in which he has had 2 separate hospital visits is much more likely, than Elway gracefully finding a way to fire his friend and not hurt any feelings while also leaving everything so amicably that he would bring him back without hestitation 7 months later.

I think you chose the wrong stance here.

It's just a graceful parting of ways. I don't think either men had planned on a departure - I think they talked their way through it.

No one is assuming there was a massive riff or schism.

Ok now I'm saying it, We're Screwed!

Hopefully this isn't a personnel decision appointment, cause his eye for talent sucks.

Good for Kubes, though, love me some Kube.

Originally Posted by Jaded

Ok now I'm saying it, We're Screwed!

Hopefully this isn't a personnel decision appointment, cause his eye for talent sucks.

Good for Kubes, though, love me some Kube.

Kinda getting mixed signals here ...

Originally Posted by VonDoom

Kinda getting mixed signals here ...

I <3 Kube and I'm glad for him, but he sucks as a personnel evaluator.

I'm a complicated man, VonDoom.

Originally Posted by Jaded

I <3 Kube and I'm glad for him, but he sucks as a personnel evaluator.

I'm a complicated man, VonDoom.

Nah. You're just Jaded.

Originally Posted by BroncoJoe

Nah. You're just Jaded.

Jaded af.

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

Except the simplest explanation is that he was having issues as a HC and he and his boss gracefully found a way to part amicably. A lot of coaches 'leave for health reasons' just to come back.

How many of them collapse during a game twice in four years, ending up hospitalized both times? If you believe the "official" story (read: Conspiracy) Lombardi also retired for "health reasons" too (i.e. he was dying of cancer,) but everyone knows he was really FORCED out because he only won 7 games his final season.

Kubiak drives himself mercilessly, and we can (and should) all be very grateful that was a big part of winning ALL THREE of the franchises Championships. But he was in his mid-thirties when we won the first one: Now he's in his mid-fifties, and a lot of stuff you can physically shrug off in your thirties becomes dangerous in your fifties—especially if you've BEEN doing it since your twenties, or teens; that adds up after a few decades, too. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, folks.

Y'all overthink this shit too much.

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

It's just a graceful parting of ways. I don't think either men had planned on a departure - I think they talked their way through it.

No one is assuming there was a massive riff or schism.

I am not in disagreement with this. My contention is the primary reason why and the dispelling of the rumors about the rift between them.
I believe this was part of the equation. I believe Health was the bigger and primary factor in that equation. Which naturally dispels the whole rift thingy.

Originally Posted by Buff

Of course not - but the health narrative was ALSO a convenient way around the idea that Kubiak's offense looked dated and ineffective and wasn't putting players in the best position to succeed. Which doesn't mean that the health thing wasn't ALSO a consideration. They aren't mutually exclusive.

i agree that they aren't mutually exclusive. . . not sure about this, however. . .

Originally Posted by Buff

My only point is that if Kubiak had the #1 offense in the league last year he'd still be our head coach. Reasonable folks can disagree.

remember that he also had a stroke in houston, and the man has a family. . . would john have given up on his friend so quickly? i didn't want to believe so, and this is one of the reasons that GK coming back makes me feel better about the situation. . . i will always feel a little bad for gary about the way he went out. . . yes, in a difficult season, he failed to get the most out of our offense. . . it was also an offense built completely out of spare parts outside of the two starting wideouts. . . kubes' offense in baltimore two years back was one of the best in the league, and he didn't have elite playmakers there either. . . i feel like he kinda fell on the sword for the rest of the guys last year-- the bill came due for that super bowl defense, and guys like barone and rico failed hard, but GK is the guy who's had to shoulder the lion's share of the blame. . . i understand that it's part of the responsibility that comes along with the top chair, but it just hasn't sat right with me. . . gary has been a big part of all three of our championships-- he's meant too much to this organization to see him slink off in disgrace just because he couldn't coax greatness out of a banged up trevor siemian in his first year starting. . . this is a much better situation, and i don't see why gary would have come back if he didn't feel good about it. . . he certainly would have had other solid opportunities. . .

Originally Posted by slim

It hasn't silenced Buff!

he's a monster. . .

I was more disappointed about Wade leaving than what happened to Gary.

Wade won the Superbowl for Denver as far as I'm concerned. Beating the snot out of Brady and Newton was glorious.

Pleased to read this. The idea there was a rift (promoted by DMac, etc.) seemed like such a bummer.

Feel oddly and overly happy to read this.