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    I have two questions:

    1. Is football outsiders respected?
    2. Did we trade Miller, Wolfe, Ray, Marshall, Ward, Talib, and Harris?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor View Post
    I have two questions:

    1. Is football outsiders respected?
    2. Did we trade Miller, Wolfe, Ray, Marshall, Ward, Talib, and Harris?
    I didnt write it, i just read it :P

    But looking at recent history, they have been pretty close to being right about where we stand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor View Post
    I have two questions:

    1. Is football outsiders respected?
    2. Did we trade Miller, Wolfe, Ray, Marshall, Ward, Talib, and Harris?
    Normally, yes...but the notion that we're somehow worse than every AFC team other than the browns is preposterous. We've gotten better than we were last year when we managed 9 wins, we will improve further in the draft. There is no way we're that bad off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor View Post
    I have two questions:

    1. Is football outsiders respected?
    2. Did we trade Miller, Wolfe, Ray, Marshall, Ward, Talib, and Harris?
    Yes, FO is pretty highly respected. Having said that, I can't agree with them projecting us out as the second worst team in the AFC. We are still returning most of a team that went 9-7.

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    Denver's 2017 schedule is a beast, the AFC West is a tough division. The Broncos point differential of +472 (net points 2017 opponents scored in 2016) is 2d behind the +478 of the Raiders. The Opp Win % of 57.8% is the toughest in the league.

    Compared to 2016's schedule, it's about the same or perhaps easier. The Broncos had the toughest SoS in 2016 and played vs the AFC South (-109 net 2016 points for division) and NFC South (+101). They played the Pats and Panthers (1st place schedule, +158). In 2017, it's AFC East (+61) and NFC East (+190) plus Bengals and Colts (+29, 3d place schedule oppt's).

    Is Denver a worse team in 2017?

    Losses:

    Russell Okung
    Sylvester Williams
    DeMarcus Ware
    Kayvon Webster
    Dekoda Watson

    Additions:
    Ronald Leary
    Menelik Watson
    Domata Peko
    Zach Kerr
    Kasim Edebali
    2017 draft class (with a compensatory 3d and some later comp picks)

    Developing, possibly contributing (or contributing at a higher level) in 2017:

    Shane Ray
    Kalif Raymond
    Paxton Lynch
    Trevor Siemian
    A.J. Derby
    Jordan Taylor
    Devontae Booker
    Adam Gotsis
    Will Parks
    Justin Simmons

    Possibly declining in production:

    Talib (turns 32 next SB)
    Ward (turns 31 in Dec.)
    Emmanuel (turned 30 last month)
    DT (turns 30 this Xmas)

    Coaching staff is new, which generally results in worse performance, ceteris parabis, but it wasn't a 'red-button' firing, more of a shake-up in culture. Woods remains as legacy defense coach, although losing Wade is a major loss. Adding McCoy and Musgrave to the offense should be a major improvement over Kubiak and Dennison, but it's still difficult to learn a new system. It takes time and to add to it you have a QB controversy which means whoever starts will not have maximum reps in the new system.

    On the whole, the 2017 Broncos are actually a solid team--no major losses outside of left tackle, a dominant secondary that is aging but is still in their prime (if nearing the end of it), and a shot of adrenaline from young players who should develop into more significant contributors (I'm looking at you, Shane Ray, Trevor Lynch, and Adam Gotsis). The coaching change is a net negative, but by all media reports the Broncos should have an NFL elite staff. In theory this was the top destination for coaching talent because the culture is a championship culture. The only absolute, glaring weakness on the team is left tackle.

    My takeaway is that this is a playoff-contending team *if* the left tackle situation is addressed either by scheme, group cohesion, or personnel (including massive improvement from one of the 4-5 potential tacos already on the roster). Otherwise it's a worse version of the 2016 offense, and we know how that works out.

    tl;dr--If the left tackle situation isn't A-gaping hole, I really like this team's odds in 2017.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freyaka View Post
    Normally, yes...but the notion that we're somehow worse than every AFC team other than the browns is preposterous. We've gotten better than we were last year when we managed 9 wins, we will improve further in the draft. There is no way we're that bad off.
    Just to nitpick one point, all 32 teams will have a chance to improve via the draft, so I wouldn't use that as a point in our favor for potentially having a better record this year.

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    There's absolutely noway the Broncos are the 2nd worst team in the AFC, I've got a feeling that Leary's attitude and mean/tough mindset will rub off on alot of the guys in the O line group and the unit will be much more improved. Denver will find there starting LT in round 3 or 4 of the draft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DT88TheGreat View Post
    Denver will find there starting LT in round 3 or 4 of the draft.
    You got a name for that player?
    Quote Originally Posted by Sting
    "You know cos I just lost my parents--both my parents died in the same year...to this day, people come up to me and say 'my dad died and that album really meant a lot to me,' which is very nourishing {pats heart} for a songwriter to hear that your songs have a utility beyond just their own solace, that it actually helps other people."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawgdriver View Post
    You got a name for that player?
    Antonio Garcia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DT88TheGreat View Post
    Antonio Garcia.
    I wouldn't mind that. He seems to be a 2d round guy. Kinda soft, not a nasty dude like the Broncs want. Still, he's a stud athlete with good technique. I'd never expect him to walk into a starting job tho. None of these guys are ready day 1 type of guys. Stranger things have happened, but I'd never count on it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sting
    "You know cos I just lost my parents--both my parents died in the same year...to this day, people come up to me and say 'my dad died and that album really meant a lot to me,' which is very nourishing {pats heart} for a songwriter to hear that your songs have a utility beyond just their own solace, that it actually helps other people."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugan View Post
    I didnt write it, i just read it :P

    But looking at recent history, they have been pretty close to being right about where we stand.
    I know you didn't write. I would have simply called you a name with a few adjectives for color.

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    Thank the Lord!

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    Someone in the AFCS is always a top three pick. The AFCN only has one consistent team. The AFCE has the Jets and the Bills.

    This article can suck my dick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawgdriver View Post
    Denver's 2017 schedule is a beast, the AFC West is a tough division. The Broncos point differential of +472 (net points 2017 opponents scored in 2016) is 2d behind the +478 of the Raiders. The Opp Win % of 57.8% is the toughest in the league.

    Compared to 2016's schedule, it's about the same or perhaps easier. The Broncos had the toughest SoS in 2016 and played vs the AFC South (-109 net 2016 points for division) and NFC South (+101). They played the Pats and Panthers (1st place schedule, +158). In 2017, it's AFC East (+61) and NFC East (+190) plus Bengals and Colts (+29, 3d place schedule oppt's).

    Is Denver a worse team in 2017?

    Losses:

    Russell Okung
    Sylvester Williams
    DeMarcus Ware
    Kayvon Webster
    Dekoda Watson

    Additions:
    Ronald Leary
    Menelik Watson
    Domata Peko
    Zach Kerr
    Kasim Edebali
    2017 draft class (with a compensatory 3d and some later comp picks)

    Developing, possibly contributing (or contributing at a higher level) in 2017:

    Shane Ray
    Kalif Raymond
    Paxton Lynch
    Trevor Siemian
    A.J. Derby
    Jordan Taylor
    Devontae Booker
    Adam Gotsis
    Will Parks
    Justin Simmons

    Possibly declining in production:

    Talib (turns 32 next SB)
    Ward (turns 31 in Dec.)
    Emmanuel (turned 30 last month)
    DT (turns 30 this Xmas)

    Coaching staff is new, which generally results in worse performance, ceteris parabis, but it wasn't a 'red-button' firing, more of a shake-up in culture. Woods remains as legacy defense coach, although losing Wade is a major loss. Adding McCoy and Musgrave to the offense should be a major improvement over Kubiak and Dennison, but it's still difficult to learn a new system. It takes time and to add to it you have a QB controversy which means whoever starts will not have maximum reps in the new system.

    On the whole, the 2017 Broncos are actually a solid team--no major losses outside of left tackle, a dominant secondary that is aging but is still in their prime (if nearing the end of it), and a shot of adrenaline from young players who should develop into more significant contributors (I'm looking at you, Shane Ray, Trevor Lynch, and Adam Gotsis). The coaching change is a net negative, but by all media reports the Broncos should have an NFL elite staff. In theory this was the top destination for coaching talent because the culture is a championship culture. The only absolute, glaring weakness on the team is left tackle.

    My takeaway is that this is a playoff-contending team *if* the left tackle situation is addressed either by scheme, group cohesion, or personnel (including massive improvement from one of the 4-5 potential tacos already on the roster). Otherwise it's a worse version of the 2016 offense, and we know how that works out.

    tl;dr--If the left tackle situation isn't A-gaping hole, I really like this team's odds in 2017.
    Uh, oh dude! Did you really throw "ceteris parabis" [all other things being equal] at the readers on this forum? Are you trying to cause them brain-lock? Tangling up their minds with deadly latin quotations?

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