Thread: We are better then cleveland, according to this artivle

It takes time and to add to it you have a QB controversy which means whoever starts will not have maximum reps in the new system.

The QB controversy is going to continue all season long. Say Trevor wins the starting job in the pre-season. Does that mean he keeps it all season long, if Paxton shows signs of improvement? NO.

If he struggles or the team loses they will not hesitate to throw in Lynch. And the same thing goes for Trevor if Lynch starts. Either QB will be on a short hook, because this is still viewed as a championship defense and you don't want to waste that with a QB who is not doing his job well.

Originally Posted by Cugel

The QB controversy is going to continue all season long. Say Trevor wins the starting job in the pre-season. Does that mean he keeps it all season long, if Paxton shows signs of improvement? NO.

If he struggles or the team loses they will not hesitate to throw in Lynch. And the same thing goes for Trevor if Lynch starts. Either QB will be on a short hook, because this is still viewed as a championship defense and you don't want to waste that with a QB who is not doing his job well.

Right. It would be best for the team if one dude got all the reps. Not going to happen unless one of them is injured or is markedly worse during camp.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

Right. It would be best for the team if one dude got all the reps. Not going to happen unless one of them is injured or is markedly worse during camp.

I wonder how much of a handicap it will be to have a QB competition all season long. It might not be ideal, but how can they avoid it? Nobody really knows whether either of these 2 guys is the long term answer at QB. Both will have to get chances to prove themselves this year.

And if neither of them proves out, then Elway will go back to the draft in 2018 and draft another QB in the first round or 2nd round and develop that guy. And he'll keep doing that until he finds a top 10 QB - one way or another.

Originally Posted by Cugel

I wonder how much of a handicap it will be to have a QB competition all season long. It might not be ideal, but how can they avoid it? Nobody really knows whether either of these 2 guys is the long term answer at QB. Both will have to get chances to prove themselves this year.

And if neither of them proves out, then Elway will go back to the draft in 2018 and draft another QB in the first round or 2nd round and develop that guy. And he'll keep doing that until he finds a top 10 QB - one way or another.

All this points to the need for improved QB simulation systems. Especially with the limited number of reps, the new system, and the competition. Plus as a coach you get way more data to evaluate which player to start.

As a pilot we used simulators all the time to get better. The technology is here. I hope the Broncos are using it.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

All this points to the need for improved QB simulation systems. Especially with the limited number of reps, the new system, and the competition. Plus as a coach you get way more data to evaluate which player to start.

As a pilot we used simulators all the time to get better. The technology is here. I hope the Broncos are using it.

That's a good idea, but I wonder how you would simulate Justin Houston or Kalil Mack throwing you on your head if you held the ball too long?

Originally Posted by Cugel

That's a good idea, but I wonder how you would simulate Justin Houston or Kalil Mack throwing you on your head if you held the ball too long?

Physical injury and pain would be ideal to simulate, but hard to do.

When you crash into the ground in an aircraft, it's a clear result. Same with QB simulation. You could have the VR goggles pop up with skull and crossbones and blood dripping from the top, maybe add your and Joel's laughter over the top of all that.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

Physical injury and pain would be ideal to simulate, but hard to do.

When you crash into the ground in an aircraft, it's a clear result. Same with QB simulation. You could have the VR goggles pop up with skull and crossbones and blood dripping from the top, maybe add your and Joel's laughter over the top of all that.

You're probably right. I always thought the idea training tool would be a holo-deck like on Star Trek the Next Generation, but they ain't making that any time soon.

But, if they made the simulation of Denver's offensive line too realistic Siemian might be too terrified to start !

Originally Posted by Cugel

You're probably right. I always thought the idea training tool would be a holo-deck like on Star Trek the Next Generation, but they ain't making that any time soon.

But, if they made the simulation of Denver's offensive line too realistic Siemian might be too terrified to start !

Do you know what is available right now? Have you tried it?

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

Do you know what is available right now? Have you tried it?

WEll, the Holodeck on the Enterprise in Star Trek utilized "transporter technology" to materialize objects for people to interact with, and it adjusted gravity artificially to boot in order to make the simulation undectectable from the real thing. I'm just guessing that kind of technology ain't around just yet.

Cugel, for someone who is wrong and losses arguments a lot, you sure are smarmy. All that coffee will stain your teeth, you doucher.

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

Cugel, for someone who is wrong and losses arguments a lot, you sure are smarmy. All that coffee will stain your teeth, you doucher.

Ah, but I'm always right! Especially when I'm wrong? Or is it some other time. Hmmmn.

We could ask Dak how it worked for him last year.

The OP says the Broncos will be the 2nd worst team in the AFC. If you click on the link, you'll see we're projected to win 6 games. So only the Browns will finish will fewer than 6 wins? That’s something that just doesn’t seem right, so I went through the AFC standings for the last 10 years to see just how many teams actually finished with fewer than 6 win in each of those seasons:

2016: 4
2015: 5
2014: 4
2013: 4
2012: 4
2011: 3
2010: 4
2009: 3
2008: 5
2007: 5

5 teams: 3 seasons
4 teams: 5 seasons
3 teams: 2 seasons
2 teams: 0 seasons
1 team: 0 seasons

So if the Broncos finish as the 2nd worst team in a conference with just 6 wins, it would undoubtedly be unprecedented in NFL history. It definitely has come close to happening in the AFC over the past 10 seasons.

Originally Posted by Cugel

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

Coaching staff is new, which generally results in worse performance, ceteris parabis, but it wasn't a 'red-button' firing, more of a shake-up in culture.

Uh, oh dude! Did you really throw "ceteris parabis" [all other things being equal] at the readers on this forum? Are you trying to cause them brain-lock? Tangling up their minds with deadly latin quotations?

I just read through it and thought it was an odd place to mention our center. I need to hit the books.

Originally Posted by FanInAZ

The OP says the Broncos will be the 2nd worst team in the AFC. If you click on the link, you'll see we're projected to win 6 games. So only the Browns will finish will fewer than 6 wins? That’s something that just doesn’t seem right, so I went through the AFC standings for the last 10 years to see just how many teams actually finished with fewer than 6 win in each of those seasons:

2016: 4
2015: 5
2014: 4
2013: 4
2012: 4
2011: 3
2010: 4
2009: 3
2008: 5
2007: 5

5 teams: 3 seasons
4 teams: 5 seasons
3 teams: 2 seasons
2 teams: 0 seasons
1 team: 0 seasons

So if the Broncos finish as the 2nd worst team in a conference with just 6 wins, it would undoubtedly be unprecedented in NFL history. It definitely has come close to happening in the AFC over the past 10 seasons.

Can you imagine a team with this defense winning 6 games?

Me neither. Maybe if both QBs get their arms ripped off by Joey Bosa in week one, and Von Miller goes on the IR. In short, a perfect storm of calamity like happened in 1999 when they lost Elway, Steve Atwater and T.D. and fell to 6-10.

Otherwise I'd say 7-8 wins is the basement, and 10 or 11 wins is the maximum. I don't see this team winning 12 games with this brutal schedule, and Trevor Siemian as the starter.

Even if the bottom falls out, there's no way the Broncos are drafting in the top 5. In 2011 when they had the #2 pick after winning only 4 games under McMoron the year before, if they had won even one more game I think they would have had the #6 pick (Patrick Peterson).

Some times a team that won only 6 or 7 games has the #10 pick. So, if you wanna suck for Luck, you really have to suck!