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    Quote Originally Posted by Cugel View Post
    You're forgetting that he got a GINORMOUS $31 M signing bonus just a couple of years ago. Peyton did not. That's the difference according to "math."
    The signing bonus has already been paid out. Thus, we wouldn't be responsible for that... Just his remaining annual compensation. Thank you for your pointless correction though.

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    Oh my.

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    If Denver landed Eli the signing bonus stays with Giants, it would always be a factor in their cap but not on any team that takes on that contract. Roster bonuses are different, they go with the player.

    Least, that's how I understand it.

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    Stokely said something on the fan the other day. People are trashing TS, but if he was a first round QB rather than 7th round, rather than saying he's a journeyman QB who hit his ceiling we'd be talking about how he's going to be a great QB.

    Take Wentz as an example, people speak so highly of Carson,
    Wentz had 3,782 yards 16 TD 14 INT 14 fumbles
    Trevor had 3,401 yards 18 TD 10 INT 4 fumbles. (with 2 less games played)

    And before someone pulls the "trevor wasn't a rookie" card... No he wasn't, but it is very rare to see any actual growth and development as a 2nd string QB. You learn far less on the bench than you do in live game experience.

    Look at Phillys Rivers as an example. He didn't become the full time starter until his 3rd year. His numbers (aside from 4 more TD's in two more games) were similar to Trevor's. No one wrote Rivers off as a "journeyman who hit his ceiling" because he was a high draft pick and people were more forgiving with him.

    If the roles were reversed and Trevor was a 1st round pick and Paxton a 7th, there would be zero discussion of a QB controversy because we'd all be busy hyping up TS just like the Eagles are Wentz this year. I don't say this to say "oh give Trevor time, he's going to be great" but rather, keep an open mind. Most around here were far too hard on him last season and had their expectations set way too high (higher than most would have for a 1st round QB starting for the first time)

    All I'm saying, keep an open mind, wait to see what pre-season and camp brings, he may surprise you (maybe not, but if not, hopefully Paxton does because we need one of them ready)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freyaka View Post
    Stokely said something on the fan the other day. People are trashing TS, but if he was a first round QB rather than 7th round, rather than saying he's a journeyman QB who hit his ceiling we'd be talking about how he's going to be a great QB.

    Take Wentz as an example, people speak so highly of Carson,
    Wentz had 3,782 yards 16 TD 14 INT 14 fumbles
    Trevor had 3,401 yards 18 TD 10 INT 4 fumbles. (with 2 less games played)

    And before someone pulls the "trevor wasn't a rookie" card... No he wasn't, but it is very rare to see any actual growth and development as a 2nd string QB. You learn far less on the bench than you do in live game experience.

    Look at Phillys Rivers as an example. He didn't become the full time starter until his 3rd year. His numbers (aside from 4 more TD's in two more games) were similar to Trevor's. No one wrote Rivers off as a "journeyman who hit his ceiling" because he was a high draft pick and people were more forgiving with him.

    If the roles were reversed and Trevor was a 1st round pick and Paxton a 7th, there would be zero discussion of a QB controversy because we'd all be busy hyping up TS just like the Eagles are Wentz this year. I don't say this to say "oh give Trevor time, he's going to be great" but rather, keep an open mind. Most around here were far too hard on him last season and had their expectations set way too high (higher than most would have for a 1st round QB starting for the first time)

    All I'm saying, keep an open mind, wait to see what pre-season and camp brings, he may surprise you (maybe not, but if not, hopefully Paxton does because we need one of them ready)
    He was 3rd string last year, making the case even stronger.

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    If he was a first round quarterback, there'd be double the focus and double the criticism.

    At least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BroncoJoe View Post
    He was 3rd string last year, making the case even stronger.
    Well ya, I was wrong there, he was third behind Brock and Peyton meaning his time with the first team was next to none...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOtorboat View Post
    If he was a first round quarterback, there'd be double the focus and double the criticism.

    At least.
    If he was a first round QB, his numbers last year would have been praised. I've heard him called everything from a worse Kyle Orton to a glorified 3rd string QB, and yet, people hype up Carson Wentz who had essentially worse numbers overall than TS with 2 more games played...

    The bar is set unreasonably high on TS. Let's just put it this way, If Paxton had started last year and put up identical numbers, no one would be as hard on him as some are TS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOtorboat View Post
    If he was a first round quarterback, there'd be double the focus and double the criticism.

    At least.
    IE: Paxton?

    Bottom line is for a 7th round pick, and (essentially) a rookie he performed admirably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freyaka View Post
    Well ya, I was wrong there, he was third behind Brock and Peyton meaning his time with the first team was next to none...
    Eh - don't sugarcoat it. It was NONE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freyaka View Post
    If he was a first round QB, his numbers last year would have been praised. I've heard him called everything from a worse Kyle Orton to a glorified 3rd string QB, and yet, people hype up Carson Wentz who had essentially worse numbers overall than TS with 2 more games played...

    The bar is set unreasonably high on TS. Let's just put it this way, If Paxton had started last year and put up identical numbers, no one would be as hard on him as some are TS.
    The bar is set at "starting quarterback."

    However, I just can't agree. First round draft picks are absolutely roasted and nit-picked and scrutinized to the Nth degree. I'm not even sure how that's a debate. If he were a first round draft pick the scrutiny would be unrelenting, not a few people on a message board who aren't convinced he's the long term solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightTerror218 View Post
    McCoy offense will suit lynch. More shots deep and some spread. Siemian will need to check down less and let it rip more. Be less alex smith and more elway.
    McCoy's offense is based upon inside crossing plays. That is why they drafted two speed WR. It's about quick release and reads
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    Siemian starts the season, Lynch takes over before mid-season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traveler View Post
    Siemian starts the season, Lynch takes over before mid-season.
    That was supposed to be the way it worked out last year too. My thought, whoever emerges as the starter stays the starter barring injury or poor production.

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