Thread: How do we fix this team in 2017?

Originally Posted by Jaded

Ryan Ramcyk is making 1st rnd noise but I think he just injured himself. Plus, he's from Wisconsin, they have a lot of bust OP lately.

Garett Boles is a sleeper right now, he moves like a TE, but he's from Utah. Ugh.

What about that G from Notre Dame?

Guys it's not always about first round talent. Second round talent often works out, too. Jonathan Cooper was supposedly the greatest guard prospect of all-time and he could barely start for this team. There are going to be real free agents out there, and we will have the draft.

It'll be alright. I promise it'll be alright.

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

Guys it's not always about first round talent. Second round talent often works out, too. Jonathan Cooper was supposedly the greatest guard prospect of all-time and he could barely start for this team. There are going to be real free agents out there, and we will have the draft.

It'll be alright. I promise it'll be alright.

You're right, it's not, it's about the right talent. But Denver hasn't tried an offensive lineman in the first round in eight years. Seeing the needs of this team, it would be a good year to try that route as second round and free agency hasn't done much.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

You're right, it's not, it's about the right talent. But Denver hasn't tried an offensive lineman in the first round in eight years. Seeing the needs of this team, it would be a good year to try that route as second round and free agency hasn't done much.

When that other team I used to root for turned the franchise around it did start with a ginger at QB and a stylegod at WR. At the time they had to contend with a budding Steelers offense, the longball Ravens, and a league moving towards the passing game. They signed in FA a bunch of corners. Some young, some old, some talented, others not to much. But they brought in a lot of corners and safeties. Jonathan Joseph, Leon Hall, Newton, Williams, Pacman, Iloka, Reggie Williams, and a bunch of other guys I can barely recall. The answer was found in bringing in a lot of guys and tinkering around with it.

It worked out well. That awful team with that awful owner, fans, coach, and city, did not reach. If there wasn't a top flight secondary guy -even though they jerked it to secondary players- they didn't reach. I doubt that Elway will reach. So if that means we take a guard in the first, I'm cool. If that means in the first round we draft a run stuffing nightmare, I'm cool.

There are almost always older guys who have a few years left in the tank, too. Whitworth would instantly be the best guy on the line. I'm lobbying for that. Even for depth, he's been a guard and LT. That's just an example. Honestly, a first round guard is dope, too.

Originally Posted by VonDoom

What about that G from Notre Dame?

He's getting 1st rnd talk but he's a Redshirt Soph, I don't know if he comes out.

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

Guys it's not always about first round talent. Second round talent often works out, too. Jonathan Cooper was supposedly the greatest guard prospect of all-time and he could barely start for this team. There are going to be real free agents out there, and we will have the draft.

It'll be alright. I promise it'll be alright.

You are the worst nihilist ever

Originally Posted by slim

You are the worst nihilist ever

You wanna know a real secret?

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

You wanna know a real secret?

Maybe?

I'm still content knowing John Elway is in charge and not any of these other ********* around the league. Every move he makes he's doing it to win a super bowl. Not to sell tickets and make money. The guy wants to win. More importantly he wants to win with the Denver Broncos. #InElwayITrust

Originally Posted by Freyaka

I was discussing this with some friends earlier. We all know that Kubiak's biggest flaw is that he's too loyal to screw ups. The biggest problem we have is we've got coaches operating outside their depth. Barone isn't an o-line coach, Dennison is a garbage OC. The biggest steps we could take to right the ship is this.

1. Move Barone back to TE's. He's not a bad TE coach, but he clearly can't coach o-line...

Yeah, he is; his best "TE" was a puffed up WR who "can't block the sun out of his eyes." We KNOW he can't coach TEs because (wait for it...) that's what he was doing for us the FIRST time we moved him to the offensive line (i.e. before we moved him BACK to TEs last time.)

Originally Posted by Freyaka

2. Move Dennison to o-line coach. Again, he's a crap OC. He has no business doing it, but he can coach the o-line. He was the o-line coach from 2001-2005 and again in 2009.

He was also the OC when Kubiak left for Houston, and the OC there when Shanny and the rest of his staff were axed in favor of McDumbass and his. He ran quite productive offenses in both Denver AND Houston—but since Barone was one of the guys McDumbass brought to Denver, Dennison didn't have that handicap then.

Originally Posted by Freyaka

3. Take away Kubiak's control over the offense. Kubiak is a good HC, but he needs to focus on that and only that.

Funny, most folks seem to feel it's the other way around, but Kubiak was a good enough OC to win back-to-back SBs in Denver, and reach a third AFCCG before his OC talents got him promoted to HC in Houston (the sole reason Dennison replaced him as our OC.)

Originally Posted by Freyaka

4. Bring in a true OC to run the offense. My dream option would be to hire Kyle Shannahan as the Assistance Head Coach/OC.

Dennison's proven a fine OC in two different cities, and Kyle Shanahan's already GOT a pretty OC gig in Atlanta, running that "obsolete" ZBS system to great effect, so we can't hire him away since it would be a lateral move.

Originally Posted by Freyaka

5. Drive Jordan Norwood off a cliff in a pinto.

NOW we're on the same page.

Originally Posted by Freyaka

What things do you think we could do to have a better year in 2017?

Draft OTs higher than 56th overall, and Gs higher than 95th. It's better to have five quality linemen and a pair of quality OLBs (or CBs) than five quality OLBs (or CBs) and a pair of quality linemen (not that we even have THAT many.) That's not an exaggeration either: I've heard more than a few posters rave about Lorenzo Doss and Dekoda Watson, but they're BOTH #5 on a depth chart with only TWO starters. Meanwhile Schofield's battling Sambrailo for a different starting spot.

Oh, and bounce Barone: The SOLE consistency in his SEVEN tenure as TE coach, then line coach, then TE coach, then line coach is that our TEs AND line have ALWAYS sucked, under THREE head coaches AND three GMS. Insanity is doing the same thing for seven years and blaming the coaches you just hired LAST year.

Originally Posted by slim

Maybe?

You killed the moment. I was going to give you insight into the real me. But you, you did me dirtier than the vag of a Raiders fan.

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

You killed the moment. I was going to give you insight into the real me. But you, you did me dirtier than the vag of a Raiders fan.

Don't be so dramatic.

Originally Posted by slim

Don't be so dramatic.

I'm eating chips and drinking a soda. It's hard to be dramatic doing that.

Originally Posted by Joel

Draft OTs higher than 56th overall, and Gs higher than 95th. It's better to have five quality linemen and a pair of quality OLBs (or CBs) than five quality OLBs (or CBs) and a pair of quality linemen (not that we even have THAT many.) That's not an exaggeration either: I've heard more than a few posters rave about Lorenzo Doss and Dekoda Watson, but they're BOTH #5 on a depth chart with only TWO starters. Meanwhile Schofield's battling Sambrailo for a different starting spot.

Oh, and bounce Barone: The SOLE consistency in his SEVEN tenure as TE coach, then line coach, then TE coach, then line coach is that our TEs AND line have ALWAYS sucked, under THREE head coaches AND three GMS. Insanity is doing the same thing for seven years and blaming the coaches you just hired LAST year.

Oh, I imagine about 1/2 the teams in the NFL are thinking of doing that. Meanwhile, according to Broncos Insider Cecil Lammey, the draft guru, this is a below average draft for OL and a bunch of teams desperately needing them.

I imagine college going to the spread offenses everywhere does not help the development of NFL ready OL.

I think we have to face the fact that it's going to take multiple years to rebuild the OL. It has been a cancer on the team for the entire Manning era, and it just got worse this season when there was no Peyton with a lightning release to get rid of the ball when the RT just completely whiffs on his man and lets him come running through unblocked. Or the LT, or the RG or the LG. . . .

I say we get Cordarrelle Patterson to be a return man and WR depth.