Thread: 4 Reasons why Trevor Siemian is not the problem in Denver

3 and out followed by 3 and out.. Sieman, play calling, and execution on o just blows. Defense can only hold for so long. Did you see TOP against the raiders? Was redic.

Are there still 4 reasons why Trevor isn't the problem?

Originally Posted by Lynch12

Are there still 4 reasons why Trevor isn't the problem?

Oline problems: Check
Lynch not ready: Check
Run Defense: Only about 70 yds rushing but New Orleans is a pass heavy team anyway so hard to say what more they would of given up if the Saints had tried more.
Penalties: Probably Denver's best game in quite a while where they had flags on about every play.

So this week, only 2 of the 4 really apply.

Originally Posted by Lynch12

Are there still 4 reasons why Trevor isn't the problem?

It's almost as if he's still making mistakes a QB with his experience would make.

He took some brutal hits today and kept coming back. The dude never loses his poise. Today was on the oline. Siemian would be an above average qb if he had some blocking. That pass blocking is pathetic

Originally Posted by Dzone

He took some brutal hits today and kept coming back. The dude never loses his poise. Today was on the oline. Siemian would be an above average qb if he had some blocking. That pass blocking is pathetic

His Int's were all on him, though.

Originally Posted by Jaded

His Int's were all on him, though.

Yep, but then again so was one of Brees' two INTs. They happen, especially with young QBs. The first one he never looked over the receiver and as a result, another DB dropped his coverage and jumped it and Siemian never saw it. Bad.

The second one, I'm not even sure where he was throwing it. My thinking is that the route called for DT to break left, a post I guess, but since there was a DB there, just stopped and turned back to the LOS instead. Siemian, appeared to throw where he thought DT was going to be, failing to recognize that he would be throwing into a DB and that DT would break his route off to sit in an open spot. That's all I can come up with there. Either that, or the throw was so innacurate that it was 5+ yards off target on a ball more or less straight down the field (you normally see large left/right inaccuracy more on out routes then straight down the seem).

Originally Posted by atwater27

How can there be literally no free agent defensive lineman that can at least be signed to stop the run. You cant stop the run all these exotic passrushers and shutdown corners are a waste of money.

I'd love the Broncos to re-sign Terrance Knight. Have him play NT and slide Williams to DE on obvious running situations.

Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

I'd love the Broncos to re-sign Terrance Knight. Have him play NT and slide Williams to DE on obvious running situations.

So would I, but he never looked after himself when he was on a team, I bet now he is the world's fattest man

ya siemian is not the problem. guy was a warrior. got destroyed vs the saints and hung in there with gigantic balls

Originally Posted by NightTerror218

I cant get on board with this article. Because a good QB can help mask bad oline play. Siemian is masking nothing. Manning typically had a poor oline most of his career. I expect progression from him and last 3 weeks has been poor.

I respectfully disagree man. Look at the Atlanta game and how disastrous the o-line looked there... The only reason the o-line doesn't look even worse than it already does is because Trevor's got a pretty quick release.

I think the bigger issue here is that he's still battling discomfort from the shoulder. Yes I recognize it's non-throwing, but I think it's got him rattled and scared to get hit and re-injure it. His accuracy % pre-injury was like 68%, it's mid 50's since. Some of that could very well be teams having film on him, but the dropped passes and o-line aren't doing the kid any favors.

Originally Posted by Dzone

He took some brutal hits today and kept coming back. The dude never loses his poise. Today was on the oline. Siemian would be an above average qb if he had some blocking. That pass blocking is pathetic

According to kubiak yoh are WRONG. Trevor is bringing many hits and sacks upon himself.
ints pass rushers hit the second-year quarterback 11 times Sunday -- six for sacks and five others on passes Siemian got away. Siemian went 3-of-5 for 29 yards with an interception on passes he attempted as he was hit.

Not all of the hits were simply the fault of the Broncos' protection scheme.

"Some of them, he's got to take responsibility for," Kubiak said. "We've got to make sure he's stepping up in the pocket and doing those type of things."

But Siemian's dropbacks, particularly in the shotgun formation, can leave him too deep, and poorly positioned to avoid contact in the pocket.

"He gets on the road, it gets loud, we get in the [shot]gun and you start getting away from the center a little too far, and now all of a sudden you're back there, you're hitting 11 yards -- well, we're not going to be able to protect you if you're doing that," Kubiak said.

Kubiak added that Siemian also occasionally is "drifting" in the pocket, a critique he made of Brock Osweiler late last season after a spate of sacks.

"Sometimes his depth is bad in the shotgun. It's something we've got to work on," Kubiak said. "When it's good, he's stepping up, [but] sometimes he's drifting and getting hit. It's something we're addressing -- and we have been addressing for about a month."

Originally Posted by Freyaka

I respectfully disagree man. Look at the Atlanta game and how disastrous the o-line looked there... The only reason the o-line doesn't look even worse than it already does is because Trevor's got a pretty quick release.

I think the bigger issue here is that he's still battling discomfort from the shoulder. Yes I recognize it's non-throwing, but I think it's got him rattled and scared to get hit and re-injure it. His accuracy % pre-injury was like 68%, it's mid 50's since. Some of that could very well be teams having film on him, but the dropped passes and o-line aren't doing the kid any favors.

ints pass rushers hit the second-year quarterback 11 times Sunday -- six for sacks and five others on passes Siemian got away. Siemian went 3-of-5 for 29 yards with an interception on passes he attempted as he was hit.

Not all of the hits were simply the fault of the Broncos' protection scheme.

"Some of them, he's got to take responsibility for," Kubiak said. "We've got to make sure he's stepping up in the pocket and doing those type of things."

But Siemian's dropbacks, particularly in the shotgun formation, can leave him too deep, and poorly positioned to avoid contact in the pocket.

"He gets on the road, it gets loud, we get in the [shot]gun and you start getting away from the center a little too far, and now all of a sudden you're back there, you're hitting 11 yards -- well, we're not going to be able to protect you if you're doing that," Kubiak said.

Kubiak added that Siemian also occasionally is "drifting" in the pocket, a critique he made of Brock Osweiler late last season after a spate of sacks.

"Sometimes his depth is bad in the shotgun. It's something we've got to work on," Kubiak said. "When it's good, he's stepping up, [but] sometimes he's drifting and getting hit. It's something we're addressing -- and we have been addressing for about a month."

Try again, even kubiak is publicly calling out Trevor now. So while you keep making excuses like kubiak was doing for a while even kubiak himself has had enough and calling him out publicly now, the most telling is kubiak saying he's been on Trevor ass for a MONTH about all the things posted and Trevor keeps doing it week after week.

Your excuses are meaningless when the coach finally calls him out.

How many times are you going to cut and past that? Enough already.

The excuse makers need to sto making bullshit excuses when the coach FINALLY calls Trevor out. They need to read it and read it good.