Thread: Wolfe told Rivers he would eat his kids

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

I read it as her talking about Rivers.

Obviously.

The only way to clear things up is for her to get in here and show some boobage.

Originally Posted by Tned

Yep. It was either last week or the week before I was in the car listening to Sirius NFL and they were having a fairly lengthy discussion about whether or not he's a HOF QB. They were saying that by the time he retires he will likely be top five in most QB categories, and they only real knock on him will likely be that he didn't win a ring.

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I think he deserves a fair shot at HOF. . . without any rings. Unless he somehow ends up as starting QB for the Broncos.

I think Rivers will have a tough case. Marino is an example of a HOFer not to win a ring, but he set all the passing records when he played and was a no-doubt top-5 QB of his generation, and did make it to the SB once. Kelly is another, but he at least made it there 4 times.

Rivers has never made a SB and you really can't even say he's for sure a top 5 guy of his generation with guys like Manning, Brady, Brees, Rogers, and maybe Big Ben he's behind.

I think he is an extremely borderline guy.

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

I think Rivers will have a tough case. Marino is an example of a HOFer not to win a ring, but he set all the passing records when he played and was a no-doubt top-5 QB of his generation, and did make it to the SB once. Kelly is another, but he at least made it there 4 times.

Rivers has never made a SB and you really can't even say he's for sure a top 5 guy of his generation with guys like Manning, Brady, Brees, Rogers, and maybe Big Ben he's behind.

I think he is an extremely borderline guy.

I agree those 5 get in first.

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

I think Rivers will have a tough case. Marino is an example of a HOFer not to win a ring, but he set all the passing records when he played and was a no-doubt top-5 QB of his generation, and did make it to the SB once. Kelly is another, but he at least made it there 4 times.

Rivers has never made a SB and you really can't even say he's for sure a top 5 guy of his generation with guys like Manning, Brady, Brees, Rogers, and maybe Big Ben he's behind.

I think he is an extremely borderline guy.

Im with you there. I never saw Rivers as more than a middle of the pack QB in the same vein as Romo, Testeverde, etc.

Originally Posted by GEM

He's one of those guys that makes it easy to dislike him, but you'd love him if he was on your team.

His whining would really annoy me. I don't think there is a player who whines more (at least ON the field) in the entire league.

I do respect his skills though. The dude can sling it, that's for sure. Other than one pick happy season, he's constantly in the mix of the top rated QBs.

to be fair, you would be whining if you had to play for the Chargers as well. He's a good QB and won't get a sniff at a superbowl

Originally Posted by Northman

Im with you there. I never saw Rivers as more than a middle of the pack QB in the same vein as Romo, Testeverde, etc.

I wouldn't quite say he's "middle of the pack" he's always been one of the top 7-8 QBs in the league, he'd be a lock for the Hall of Very Good, but I think he falls just short of the HOF. If he is does ever get in it will take him a while.

Derek Wolfe is awesome. I used to get my haircut at the same place he did. So... that's an anecdote.

I like players who threaten to eat opposing players babies. It's just good, clean, family fun.

Rivers has had a handful of top five QB seasons under his belt. FWIW he's a much better player than Eli, but Eli got to play with that pass rushing unit. Then again, a young Rivers had one helluva defensive unit to play with as well, and at one point his offense had Vincent Jackson, LT, Gates, and one of the better lines in all of football. IIRC he played a playoff game with a partially torn ACL, as well. He might be a borderline guy, but he deserves a look when the time comes.

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

I wouldn't quite say he's "middle of the pack" he's always been one of the top 7-8 QBs in the league, he'd be a lock for the Hall of Very Good, but I think he falls just short of the HOF. If he is does ever get in it will take him a while.

Pretty much. How many QBs make it in?

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

Rivers has had a handful of top five QB seasons under his belt. FWIW he's a much better player than Eli, but Eli got to play with that pass rushing unit. Then again, a young Rivers had one helluva defensive unit to play with as well, and at one point his offense had Vincent Jackson, LT, Gates, and one of the better lines in all of football. IIRC he played a playoff game with a partially torn ACL, as well. He might be a borderline guy, but he deserves a look when the time comes.

Agree. He is a far better QB than Eli, which makes this entire conversation silly....winning a SB should have no bearing on the discussion.

Originally Posted by Von Kinger

Rivers has had a handful of top five QB seasons under his belt. FWIW he's a much better player than Eli, but Eli got to play with that pass rushing unit. Then again, a young Rivers had one helluva defensive unit to play with as well, and at one point his offense had Vincent Jackson, LT, Gates, and one of the better lines in all of football. IIRC he played a playoff game with a partially torn ACL, as well. He might be a borderline guy, but he deserves a look when the time comes.

I don't think he gets much more than a glance. Lack of post-season play (let alone SB appearances) makes him a lock in missing the HOF in my mind. Elway managed to get to the SB with significantly less talent than Phyllis has had. HOF QB's can take teams to the playoffs, Rivers has a hard time doing even that.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

Pretty much. How many QBs make it in?

It varies I'd say, but I would be surprised if any more than 5-6 guys from any particular era usually make it in.

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

It varies I'd say, but I would be surprised if any more than 5-6 guys from any particular era usually make it in.

How do you define an era? I'm not trying to nitpick you, just trying to understand the rate of HOF QB entries.