Thread: Depth Chart Banter

Hoof you make it sound like the Broncos either get Mongo-like Impact or the TE's suck badly, if you go back Kubiak never had that. Owen Daniels, Garrett Graham and Joel Dreessen is the shoes that Heuerman has to fill.

Mid-to-late round white dude, that's what this offense needs.

MO....it's nice to see you're warming up to the idea of a fullback. I think Janovich is going to be a damn good addition.

Originally Posted by Nomad

MO....it's nice to see you're warming up to the idea of a fullback. I think Janovich is going to be a damn good addition.

This is what I think it will be, not what I would do. Fullback is a wasted roster spot in today's NFL.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

This is what I think it will be, not what I would do. Fullback is a wasted roster spot in today's NFL.

We'll see.

Originally Posted by Nomad

We'll see.

I don't think there's any waiting to see whether they'll use him or not. They're going to use a fullback. I just think there are better, more efficient offenses. That's not what the Broncos are going to do moving forward, so my personal opinion of the offense I'd like to see is a moot point. This is the offense they're running.

Troy Renck ‏@TroyRenck 4h

#Broncos Kubiak said Hillman and Bibbs both will play on special teams. Have different roles but it will be part of the evaluation

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#Broncos Kapri Bibbs on punt coverage. Smart move. More can do more chance to make team

Originally Posted by TXBRONC

As I also said in that same post Elway see something in him.

Weak. Elway has had some good draft choices but he's also had some busts. You also haven't answered my question. What has he done?

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

I don't think there's any waiting to see whether they'll use him or not. They're going to use a fullback. I just think there are better, more efficient offenses. That's not what the Broncos are going to do moving forward, so my personal opinion of the offense I'd like to see is a moot point. This is the offense they're running.

OK. Let me elaborate....we'll see if it's a wasted roster spot in the NFL.

Originally Posted by OrangeHoof

Weak. Elway has had some good draft choices but he's also had some busts. You also haven't answered my question. What has he done?

What is there to answer? He was a rookie last season and ended up on IR so obviously he did have chance to prove anything.

Heurman is going to be good to great this year. He was a great college TE at Ohio State 2 time all Big Ten. Lots of great TE come from the Big Ten Orange and he was a good blocker and good pass catcher. He will be great in Kubiak's offense by the end of the year and i think he may end up a great weapon down the seam.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

I don't think there's any waiting to see whether they'll use him or not. They're going to use a fullback. I just think there are better, more efficient offenses. That's not what the Broncos are going to do moving forward, so my personal opinion of the offense I'd like to see is a moot point. This is the offense they're running.

If you're gonna start being all realistic and stuff there's no point in even talking with you anymore.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

I think Booker backs up Anderson and starts when Anderson gets hurt. I don't think Hillman's job as the change of pace guy is really in jeopardy, to be honest. There wasn't really a way to show that on a depth chart list.

Sounds right: The starting/backup spot may be a free for all, but we have no true "change of pace backup," so that job's Hillmans by default as long as he's healthy.

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

I mean, I guess he has a point. RBs notoriously take a long time to develop. You never see a RB start and play well right off the bat.

They ARE notorious for needing a long time to learn NFL blocking, so more than a few talented runners have languished on the bench because they get the franchise QB killed on passing downs. It's the nature of the beast. There's ~800 NFL starter jobs in a country of >320 million people, so the guys who get them can't be either one-trick-pony specialists or jacks-of-all-trades who are master of none: Excelling at MOST things is a prerequisite for NFL starters.

That gives CJ and even Bibbs a huge edge over any rookie who's not a potential first ballot HoFer. Booker may or may not be the future, but CJ's more than proven himself as a runner, blocker and receiving back, so he's almost certain to be the work horse as long as our TBA line can keep him in one piece.

Originally Posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor

I don't think Norwood is slot #1. His catching radius is small, and there are better blockers for the running game.

Norwood in the game tells the defense it's likely a pass.

I still like Sanders for that job (which I believe he had in Pitt) since slot "possession" WR has become a starting rather than situational role. Also since CBs have gotten bigger and more physical to deal with outside WRs who've done the same: Fowler's got 2" and 30 lbs. on Sanders, so I'd rather have him outside and Sanders in the slot than the reverse.

Originally Posted by Jaded

One thing could be said for making Sampro a swing T is that if his future is at T at least he's developing at that position. Plus he may not have the strength to play G atm, coming off shoulder injury and being soft to begin with.

But I doubt that happens, he's gotta be on the field even if it means moving Stephenson to G.

Btw, MO, I think you got Corey Nelson and Eddie Yarborough reversed. I'd be interested to know if that's how you see it happening.

GOTTA? Why? Because we're so thin on the line in the first place? I will say that it looks like we have more reliable RT alternatives than RG alternatives; I think we'll miss Vasquez by seasons end, even if he was a better pass blocker than mauling inside run blocker.

As usual, I feel like the offensive line's the most uncertain part of the team, so I can't rule out any possibilities (except maybe benching a healthy Okung.) Garcia's a good run blocker, but both he and Paradis struggled in pass protection and against ANY kind of deception like stunts and delayed blitzes last year; if that's still an issue, so are they. We've seen all of 3 games from Sambrailo, Stephenson only occasionally when playing KC, and the rest not at all. Anything could happen....

Frankly, MO's either dead on target or has lost his mind, because I can't disagree with him much (this time.... ) Mostly on little things, specifically:

1) The aforementioned matter of leaving Sanders outside and putting Norwood in the slot instead of moving Sanders inside and putting Fowler outside,
2) Ray ahead of Ware, who I expect to start; how long his back lets him REMAIN the starter's a big question though, so maybe that's why MO listed them as he did,
3) Unless Thompson worked into the starting RB rotation or he just CAN'T block, I'd bet on him at FB, because he's a bruiser who runs well but likes hitting people.

Again, little things; maybe more a question of emphasis than accuracy. Davis and Nelson still strike me as safeties impersonating LBs, but what's our other option?

Originally Posted by BroncoBuckeye73

Heurman is going to be good to great this year. He was a great college TE at Ohio State 2 time all Big Ten. Lots of great TE come from the Big Ten Orange and he was a good blocker and good pass catcher. He will be great in Kubiak's offense by the end of the year and i think he may end up a great weapon down the seam.

I hope he will be. I won't write him off as a bust just because he missed last season.

I would like to see him and Green become a nice tandem but to date Green hasn't been used much in the passing game.

In the 2014 season, the loss of virgin green was huge for us. His absence nullified our run game.

I see a big time role for him now. But not just as a blocker, next to latimer, he is one of my favorite under the radar players

To be fair to Heuerman, I went back and looked at YouTube highlights of him at OSU and what I saw was a guy with above average speed with a knack for being totally ignored in pass coverage and making the ridiculously wide open catch. For a TE, the blocking was somewhat suspect, particularly since these were supposed to be highlight videos. I was hoping to see the tough catch with defenders draped over him but OSU must have had so many weapons that the QB never threw to him except when he was completely uncovered. So, I'm still not sure we have an NFL tight end. We have a large receiver with above average speed who seems to make himself invisible to safeties more worried about other weapons on the field.