Thread: Solutions without a problem

KC learn to coach and tell players to play until whistle.

Originally Posted by GEM

They're all butt hurt over something that didn't even happen to them.

They found a dirt next year. La raza bitch!

Honestly, putting my officiating hat on, I still believe Manning was initially giving himself up on that play and should have been ruled down. I'm glad he wasn't though. . Still, it's not worth a rule change.

i am confused

There are already rules for that. If the QB doesn't slide feet first and if the defense doesn't touch the QB while he is down, HE'S NOT DOWN. He can stand the F up and exploit the defense, which is what Peyton did.

Originally Posted by artie_dale

There are already rules for that. If the QB doesn't slide feet first and if the defense doesn't touch the QB while he is down, HE'S NOT DOWN. He can stand the F up and exploit the defense, which is what Peyton did.

They want that rule changed.

Originally Posted by OrangeHoof

I would have expected the Steelers to propose this rule but then they're afraid someone would propose a "play is dead if QB has two or more tacklers draped over him" rule which Rapeslisberger is the only guy that keeps that play alive.

I dunno, Eli did a pretty good job of it on the Helmet Catch (still have NO idea how he got out of that, let alone had time to reset, **** and launch; elusiveness and scrambling are the ONE thing he has over his brother.) In the grasp's never returning; too many people justifiably complained about it for too long.

Originally Posted by LawDog

You'd have to check with Joel to get the exact odds, but it is an extremely low percentage play.

Which is why there's no way in HELL it was deliberate. How many QBs would INTENTIONALLY fall down surrounded by defenders and simply HOPE none touched them before they could get up and make a throw against a secondary no longer expecting it? That's just insane.

Well, I may be insane (I don't discount the possibility), but to me it looked like he gave himself up and when he quickly realized that he wasn't touched and there was no whistle, he smartly got up and continued playing. Obviously none of us know what was going through his head, but that's what it looked like to me.

And Artie, in the NFL if a player "gives himself up" he does not have to be touched or go feet first to be considered down. This only matters in the NFL because in college and below any part of the body except the hand and bottom of the foot touching the ground makes the runner down by rule. Check out section 2 article 1 (e). http://static.nfl.com/static/content...all_Scrimm.pdf

Originally Posted by spikerman

Well, I may be insane (I don't discount the possibility), but to me it looked like he gave himself up and when he quickly realized that he wasn't touched and there was no whistle, he smartly got up and continued playing. Obviously none of us know what was going through his head, but that's what it looked like to me.

And Artie, in the NFL if a player "gives himself up" he does not have to be touched or go feet first to be considered down. This only matters in the NFL because in college and below any part of the body except the hand and bottom of the foot touching the ground makes the runner down by rule. Check out section 2 article 1 (e). http://static.nfl.com/static/content...all_Scrimm.pdf

I thought one can only give themselves up by falling to the ground on purpose. Like it might be a safety issue in a very myopic way?

But no one should be able to give themselves up, especially QB's. If you slide, you should get crushed. I'm talking the physical version of coming home and seeing three dudes running train on your wife type shit.

I just love how the language filter evidently thinks I said Eli escaped multiple simultaneous sacks, penised, and launched on the Helmet Catch. Guess if we ever discuss male chickens we'll have to call them roosters.

Next time write cok, no need to be so pedantic (ht Joe)

Originally Posted by Jaded

Next time write cok, no need to be so pedantic (ht Joe)

What am I without pedantry...?

Originally Posted by Keeper

I thought one can only give themselves up by falling to the ground on purpose.

I know I'm in the minority, but I think he did.

Originally Posted by spikerman

I know I'm in the minority, but I think he did.

I think it's entirely possible that he went to the ground on purpose and not hearing an immediate whistle he got up immediately and threw the ball. That said, I don't think they need to change the rules just because this happened once.

Originally Posted by spikerman

I know I'm in the minority, but I think he did.

That's what I thought as well, although I knew it was possible he might have tripped.