Thread: Chip Kelly, 49ers try to trade Colin Kaepernick: Update

Originally Posted by Northman

I have no problem with Hogan, but i wouldnt mind Cook either.

Cook IMHO reminds me of Dalton but with the swagger of Montana.

Hogan throws like Tebow, not Rivers.

Why do threads about free agents or a player always turn into stupid draft debates?

Because 3 things make the world go around this time of year; sex, the NFL Draft and boobs.

Originally Posted by Jaded

Hogan throws like Tebow, not Rivers.

To a degree you're correct but also wrong. Rivers mechanics were cleaner, but he had an atrocious windup and a funky release, he got the windup down but his release stayed. Osweiler had a similar windup and sought help from the same coach who helped Rivers, he also worked with Tebow but most those with that same issue try to be coached out of it.

Originally Posted by Lancane

To a degree you're correct but also wrong. Rivers mechanics were cleaner, but he had an atrocious windup and a funky release, he got the windup down but his release stayed. Osweiler had a similar windup and sought help from the same coach who helped Rivers, he also worked with Tebow but most those with that same issue try to be coached out of it.

Osweiler and Rivers are very similar, both are quick too.

Hogan just reminds me of Tebow throwing.

Originally Posted by Jaded

Osweiler and Rivers are very similar, both are quick too.

Hogan just reminds me of Tebow throwing.

If you watch, Tebow had almost no elbow bend Hogan does though, it can be fixed...but it will take time and coaching. Not that he is my top choice that is for sure. First Tier: Wentz, Goff, Lynch and Cook. Second Tier: Hackenberg and Jones. Third Tier: Prescott, Hogan and Sudfeld.

Originally Posted by Lancane

If you watch, Tebow had almost no elbow bend Hogan does though, it can be fixed...but it will take time and coaching. Not that he is my top choice that is for sure. First Tier: Wentz, Goff, Lynch and Cook. Second Tier: Hackenberg and Jones. Third Tier: Prescott, Hogan and Sudfeld.

Jones?

Edit, Cardale Jones? Pass, I would take any of those QB's but him.

Originally Posted by Jaded

Jones?

Edit, Cardale Jones? Pass, I would take any of those QB's but him.

I think Jones can be a sleeper, his mechanics are the only thing making him 2nd Tier, otherwise he'd be in the 3rd.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

I think what I dont like about Hogan in a Kubiak offense is the opposite of Tebow. Hogan just isnt very mobile. He's not Manning, but he's not mcuh to write home about in that area. On top of the long throwing motion, he seems to have deep ball accuracy issues as well. Just my amateur opinion, but I think his ceiling would be close to what we'd get out of Sanchez.

I'm not a huge fan of Cook...but I'd definitely prefer him to Hogan. But if I'm looking at players in round 3 or later that are going to require 2-3 years of development before they are ready...I would go with Jones over Hogan

Doesn't Cardell's football iq concern you?

Originally Posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor

Doesn't Cardell's football iq concern you?

Actually watching him with Gruden he did well in dispelling the lack of football IQ somewhat. Not completely, but it's his superior mechanics that get's him in the second tier for me. But out of him and Hackenberg, I go Hack or the Top four.

Originally Posted by Lancane

I think Jones can be a sleeper, his mechanics are the only thing making him 2nd Tier, otherwise he'd be in the 3rd.

Pass on jones. He should go undrafted.

He only got 2 start since 2 QBS above him were lost for season. Got shot as starter this year and lost job. He is a punk who blames others. He is big and ran a lot last year when he was starting. Not a good QB, accuracy is not great, nor toming, nor reading defenses.

Originally Posted by Lancane

I think Jones can be a sleeper, his mechanics are the only thing making him 2nd Tier, otherwise he'd be in the 3rd.

I've gotten the impression that he wants to be a celebrity QB and the fact that he even considered coming out last season is concerning. His college offense is utter garbage from a QB standpoint and the fact that he got benched in that offense without actually losing a game makes me really question his fit in a real offense. Although, one counder argue that maybe that means he doesn't fit garbage offenses.

Originally Posted by Jaded

I've gotten the impression that he wants to be a celebrity QB and the fact that he even considered coming out last season is concerning. His college offense is utter garbage from a QB standpoint and the fact that he got benched in that offense without actually losing a game makes me really question his fit in a real offense. Although, one counder argue that maybe that means he doesn't fit garbage offenses.

Who knows, I've heard he's hot a good head on his shoulders when he uses it. But that could mean little, I still wouldn't draft him till late third on. But there is an immense drop-off after those considered third tier. Not many sleeper picks, possibly Driskel. As for Terror's assessment, 63% completion percentage means he is better then average. He has the arm and tools, better mechanics then most of these kids props him up somewhat.

Originally Posted by Jaded

Hogan throws like Tebow, not Rivers.

He's smarter than Tebow as a quarterback. The elongated throwing motion will more than likely end up being a problem for him.