Thread: A Message to Our Customers from Apple

Originally Posted by wayninja

Ok, well, then, thanks for proving my point I guess.

I am bias, absolutely.

Bias for liberty and the rights i was born with.

America is supposed to be the country that sets legal precedent for the rest of the world. Gay Marriage, Civil Rights, etc. Things that make the rest of the world think twice about us, and what is like to truly embrace liberty in governance.

Not the country that sets off a worldwide precedent that any government can force backdoors into private companies products. This is the very essence of Orwell right here down the road, mics in smart fridges/ thermometers/tvs/ etc.

I am not going to pretend this is a good thing.

Originally Posted by wayninja

And some people see everything as a slippery slope.

The slope is dry and steady at first, then it drops 90 degrees and is covered in slippery shit.

I'd like to see King or LawDog weigh in on this.

Originally Posted by ShaneFalco

Sorry man but once you start claiming that CEOS should want to set a legal precedent of installing backdoors into their product by governments, its hard to take you seriously. This is way more then just phones at stake here. It is now left up to corporations to defend their users rights, instead of the very government that is supposed to be protecting them. Very sad. And if you cant see what this is going to create down the road, or even a few months from now, then i give up.

I never said he should want to. In fact, I totally agree with the logic of his decision to push back on this. Because it likely WILL affect their stock. So. Nice try?

And you keep using that word backdoor, when almost the entire technical community agrees that this isn't the case. Cook is clearly using that as fear-mongering.

NSA has tried for years to get a backdoor into Apple phones. But its only this "one time".

http://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-c...own-backdoors/

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...iants-nsa-data

http://www.cnet.com/news/nsa-spyware...iphone-report/

http://www.eweek.com/security/nsa-sp...e-iphones.html

http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/10/81...ode-encryption

Originally Posted by ShaneFalco

NSA has tried for years to get a backdoor into Apple phones. But its only this "one time".

http://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-c...own-backdoors/

Your strawmen are getting ridiculous shane.

Documents provided by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden detail a number of initiatives, including an attempt to crack encryption keys implanted into Apple's mobile processor, and a method compromising Xcode — the Apple tool used to create the vast majority of iOS apps.

Although the report doesn't include details of any successful operations against Apple

has been the governments goal for quite some time to do exactly this.

Originally Posted by wayninja

Your strawmen are getting ridiculous shane.

strawmen? go read the links. They have been trying to get this done for years.

And now they finally have a terrorist case to do it on.

back in 2013.

If U.S. products are OK to target, that’s news to me," Matthew Green, a cryptography expert at Johns Hopkins University’s Information Security Institute told The Intercept. "Tearing apart the products of U.S. manufacturers and potentially putting backdoors in software distributed by unknowing developers all seems to be going a bit beyond ‘targeting bad guys.’ It may be a means to an end, but it’s a hell of a means."

Originally Posted by ShaneFalco

strawmen? go read the links. They have been trying to get this done for years.

And now they finally have a terrorist case to do it on.

Yes. Strawmen. You know what that means right?

First; The NSA is not the FBI
Second; This is not a decryption court order for a backdoor

So when you hold up dissimilar things as being similar, it's called a Strawman.

The government has been targeting Apples encryption for years.

But hey no relevance at all...strawman.....

Originally Posted by ShaneFalco

The government has been targeting Apples encryption for years.

But hey no relevance at all...strawman.....

Correct. Strawmen. And no relevance at all. But again, your clear bias won't let you see this objectively.

Originally Posted by ShaneFalco

The government has been targeting Apples encryption for years.

But hey no relevance at all...strawman.....

Originally Posted by ShaneFalco

oh look you learned how to post a picture.

Great comeback, considering I was using computers and on the internet probably before you were born.

Originally Posted by wayninja

Correct. Strawmen. And no relevance at all. But again, your clear bias won't let you see this objectively.

Yea one companies encryption being targeted for years by government entities..... no relevance. no precedent, gee i wonder what everyone is so upset about...

Originally Posted by BroncoJoe

Great comeback, considering I was using computers and on the internet probably before you were born.

you actually want to contribute to the thread or just continue to fail at trolling?