Thread: George Paton: "Can I get the bill please?"

George Paton after a weekend bender asks "Can I get the bill please?"

Sure George - let me break it down for you.

• 2 draft orders of 19 picks over 21'-22': The only player worth a damn - Patrick Surtain.
  1 major order of a coaching hire: Nathaniel Hackett can't hack it after less than a full season.
  1 major trade of a QB: Russel Wilson for two 1sts, 2 seconds, Noah Fant plus scrubs.
  1 major contract for a QB: The biggest contract in Denver history to Russ.

Total Amount:
$124 Million guaranteed for Russ at signing of contract extension.
$15 Million over the cap for 2024 season.


Additional Charges:
2024 Russ salary guaranteed @17Million.
2025 Russ salary guaranteed @34Million if he's still on the roster start of next offseason.

Bill Amount:
Dead Money hit of $85Million over the next few years for Wilson's contract.
Forced rebuild/gutting of roster over the next two years.
Free of charge: Bi-annual colonoscopies from the Chiefs, Raiders, Chargers for the forseable future.

Will you be paying cash or credit Mr. Paton??

Its amazing to me people still defend Paton. His draft/FA decisions have been shit, and Hackett alone should have cost him his job.

We're going to have to get from Wilson's contract next offseason and go after the Winstons, Darnolds, etc while we go back to square one at the QB position with a forced rebuild due to that cap hit.

Hopefully we get some decent draft picks when we have to cull the roster.

I’ll take “Revisionists History” for 200, Alex.

Originally Posted by Jaded

I’ll take “Revisionists History” for 200, Alex.

Ownership has to take the blame for the Wilson and Payton trades, although to be fair that was in transition when the former was made. Paton has been hit and miss in free agency, but he's very strong in the draft. Not really his fault that he was left a shitshow roster with no quarterback, Elway has to foot that bill. Paton does have to answer for Hackett, that's fair.

Name the impact FA's Paton brought in that have succeeded prior to this year? In the Draft you have Meinerz and PS2 that have been successful. He has been bad plain and simple. Wilson trade doesn't bother me all that much at all even today. Trading for a HC (Probably more ownership then Paton) and Hackett(Fully George) bother me big time. We lack talent and that's rests at the foot of the GM, after this year it will be a coach and/GM combo but if we don't make the playoffs Paton should be fired its that simple for me.

Originally Posted by dogfish

Ownership has to take the blame for the Wilson and Payton trades, although to be fair that was in transition when the former was made. Paton has been hit and miss in free agency, but he's very strong in the draft. Not really his fault that he was left a shitshow roster with no quarterback, Elway has to foot that bill. Paton does have to answer for Hackett, that's fair.

Almost half of the 19 draft picks from 21' and 22' aren't even on the roster.
Not to mention that Paton has a disturbing pattern of bringing in players in FA and Draft that can't stay healthy.

When you have 19 picks across two years that should set you up for a reasonable haul of young talent.

Instead Denver has a roster is full of undrafted and journeymen players like:

Trautman
Manhertz
Adkins
Brandon Johnson
McLaughlin
Elijah Garcia
Thomas Incoom
Ja'Quan McMillian
Essang Bassey
Delarrin Turner-Yell

And we can't really improve our depth because of how much cap has to go to Wilson's contract.

That's on Paton.

I know I'll get stoned for saying this but since Wilson has contract guarantees that kick in March '24 to the tune of $37Million, at this point I would rather just play Stidham.

Wilson isn't your long term QB anyway because that contract is paying him like an elite QB. We don't have WRs/TEs that can be effective in the deep ball/intermediate passing game so you saw how Sean Peyton had to put together a dink and dunk, short area passing game. So why are we paying/playing Wilson when he's not going to be here long term?

You're going to have to rebuild in the offseason, get rid of that contract, and trade away some veterans to get under the cap and swallow all that dead money.

A snowball in hell has a better shot than this current team as it's put together.

Ps2, sterns, meinerz, pj Locke, Bassey (or was he elway?), pookie, Mathis, dixon the punter.... plus potential stars like Riley moss, Drew Sanders, Jaleel, the cfa tackle paswoski or whatever......like it not Bramdon Johnson had outplayed mimms so Brandon counts and mimms likely will too. It's been 4 quarters.


All without 1st or 2nd rd picks.



Had the kicker made the fg we wouldn't even have this conversation. Emotional thread and emotional responses in it. No GM is perfect but Paton has done a pretty good job so far. And don't forget Russell Wilson. Just like those that said Jeudy should be cut. Or DT when we drafted him. Or anything else....majority of you said we'd be a 7 win team tops and yet now we don't even want to evaluate anything more than after 4 quarters of play.

******* Game 1, people!

JFC

Originally Posted by Jaded

******* Game 1, people!

JFC

I'm willing to give SP all the time he needs to get this team right.

Paton and Wilson with his contract though are a different matter. For better or for worse they are both tied at the hip because of that deal and Sean Payton doesn't strike me as a guy who's going to put up with it.

Originally Posted by Jaded

******* Game 1, people!

JFC

Nah I'm good, SP Isn't the issue in my mind outside the kicker debacle, but George Paton hasn't been all that good in Denver. The roster isn't that good, were a 10-7 team if were lucky. Injuries already are a factor, Depth is still an issue and overall dynamic talent doesn't exist in many places. That dearth of talent rest with Paton more then anyone the last 3 years.

I expected issues week 1. I expect us to beat Washington hell I expect to still win 9ish games this year, but it doesn't change the fact we aren't that good of a roster. In fact SP the coach will probably be the biggest reason we do end up winning 9 games. If it makes you feel better Game 2 should be a win and we can chill till week 3

Originally Posted by underrated29

Ps2, sterns, meinerz, pj Locke, Bassey (or was he elway?), pookie, Mathis, dixon the punter.... plus potential stars like Riley moss, Drew Sanders, Jaleel, the cfa tackle paswoski or whatever......like it not Bramdon Johnson had outplayed mimms so Brandon counts and mimms likely will too. It's been 4 quarters.


All without 1st or 2nd rd picks.



Had the kicker made the fg we wouldn't even have this conversation. Emotional thread and emotional responses in it. No GM is perfect but Paton has done a pretty good job so far. And don't forget Russell Wilson. Just like those that said Jeudy should be cut. Or DT when we drafted him. Or anything else....majority of you said we'd be a 7 win team tops and yet now we don't even want to evaluate anything more than after 4 quarters of play.

I felt this way about Paton before the season started, after OTA's, after TC and now after week 1. Hackett alone should have been his ticket out the door. Week 1 wasn't the catalyst its the lack of talent and failure to address it at many spots for me. His drafts haven't hit nor most of his FA's really....is what it is....

Originally Posted by dogfish

Ownership has to take the blame for the Wilson and Payton trades, although to be fair that was in transition when the former was made. Paton has been hit and miss in free agency, but he's very strong in the draft. Not really his fault that he was left a shitshow roster with no quarterback, Elway has to foot that bill. Paton does have to answer for Hackett, that's fair.

Nah he agreed to bring in Teddy B, that was enough for me, that was Flacco level to be honest. The rest has been blah and Hackett sealed the deal for me.

Originally Posted by Helios

I know I'll get stoned for saying this but since Wilson has contract guarantees that kick in March '24 to the tune of $37Million, at this point I would rather just play Stidham.

Wilson isn't your long term QB anyway because that contract is paying him like an elite QB. We don't have WRs/TEs that can be effective in the deep ball/intermediate passing game so you saw how Sean Peyton had to put together a dink and dunk, short area passing game. So why are we paying/playing Wilson when he's not going to be here long term?

You're going to have to rebuild in the offseason, get rid of that contract, and trade away some veterans to get under the cap and swallow all that dead money.

A snowball in hell has a better shot than this current team as it's put together.

I agree that this is probably what will have to happen based on what we’ve seen so far with Russ, however Jaded is right here. It’s been one game so far with the new coach. There’s still a chance that he can get back to his old form, albeit not a high chance.