Thread: Demaryius Thomas' mother might finally see him play

Originally Posted by Ziggy

DT has been in the top 5 in dropped passes in the NFL for the last 3 seasons. In 2014 he led the league in drops. Yes he's a top 10 receiver but let's not act like he doesn't have a huge issue with dropping the ball.

Exactly - some of the best RBs were some of the worst fumblers - didnt Tiki Barber have one?

Originally Posted by Ziggy

DT has been in the top 5 in dropped passes in the NFL for the last 3 seasons. In 2014 he led the league in drops. Yes he's a top 10 receiver but let's not act like he doesn't have a huge issue with dropping the ball.

Well, dont tell Dapper that.

Since this thread was started in regards to DT's mother being able to attend the game yesterday, I thought it would be fitting to post the following here.

Victor Lombardi

My interview with DT's mom. After 15 years in prison, first time she got to attend one of his games

https://www.facebook.com/victor.lomb...3057106706446/

Originally Posted by Northman

Well, dont tell Dapper that.

Something to back it up would be nice.

So I looked up drop stats for 2015. There's no doubt he's using total drops, where DT is 5th. That does not take into account number of targets, catches, or anything else. Yes, a WR with 100 catches might have more drops than a WR with 10. When you use drop %, DT is nowhere near the top. I'll look more into it when I get on my laptop.

2015 Stats according to http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2015/

I compiled this by using their drop percentage and I only included players with 50 catches or more.


Worst Drop Percentage 2015 (the list where you do not want to be at the top)

1 Martavis Bryant
2 Julian Edelman
3 Tyler Eifert
4 Amari Cooper
5 Mike Evans
6 Devonta Freeman
7 Davante Adams
8 Brandon Marshall
9 Michael Crabtree
10 Michael Floyd
11 Charles Clay
12 Demaryius Thomas
13 John Brown
14 Randall Cobb
15 Benjamin Watson
16 Terrance Williams
17 Alshon Jeffery
18 Cole Beasley
19 Jordan Matthews
20 Travis Kelce



Best Drop Percentage 2015 (the list where you want to be at the top)

1 Theo Riddick
2 Jason Witten
3 Heath Miller
4 Larry Fitzgerald
5 Rob Gronkowski
6 T.Y. Hilton
7 Pierre Garcon
8 Willie Snead
9 Keenan Allen
10 Jacob Tamme
11 Charles Sims
12 A.J. Green
13 DeAndre Hopkins
14 Jeremy Maclin
15 Brandin Cooks
16 Kamar Aiken
17 Jordan Reed
18 Anquan Boldin
19 Doug Baldwin
20 Marvin Jones

Here's the same for 2014, 2013, and 2012.

Worst Drops 2014

1 Mohamed Sanu
2 Reggie Wayne
3 Steve Smith Sr.
4 Dwayne Bowe
5 Marques Colston
6 Kelvin Benjamin
7 Jimmy Graham
8 Michael Crabtree
9 Allen Hurns
10 Julian Edelman
11 Jordan Matthews
12 Travis Kelce
13 Martellus Bennett
14 Heath Miller
15 Demaryius Thomas
16 Coby Fleener
17 Anquan Boldin
18 T.Y. Hilton
19 Rob Gronkowski
20 Mychal Rivera

Best Drops 2014

1 Pierre Garcon
2 Larry Fitzgerald
3 Emmanuel Sanders
4 Kendall Wright
5 Keenan Allen
6 Antonio Gates
7 Golden Tate
8 Jeremy Maclin
9 Harry Douglas
10 Odell Beckham Jr.
11 Jordan Reed
12 Brandin Cooks
13 Greg Olsen
14 DeMarco Murray
15 A.J. Green
16 Brandon LaFell
17 Jarvis Landry
18 Fred Jackson
19 Malcom Floyd
20 Jason Witten

Worst Drops 2013

1 Reggie Bush
2 Wes Welker
3 Joique Bell
4 Cecil Shorts III
5 Jamaal Charles
6 Brandon Marshall
7 Jared Cook
8 Stevie Johnson
9 Brian Hartline
10 Knowshon Moreno
11 DeMarco Murray
12 Vincent Jackson
13 Demaryius Thomas
14 Steve Smith Sr.
15 Julian Edelman
16 Calvin Johnson
17 Eric Decker
18 Torrey Smith
19 Roddy White
20 Rod Streater

Best Drops 2013

1 Nate Washington
2 Darren Sproles
3 Marques Colston
4 Danny Woodhead
5 Tim Wright
6 Larry Fitzgerald
7 Jacquizz Rodgers
8 Jordan Cameron
9 Keenan Allen
10 Golden Tate
11 Jimmy Graham
12 Mike Wallace
13 Martellus Bennett
14 Julius Thomas
15 DeAndre Hopkins
16 Coby Fleener
17 DeSean Jackson
18 Jordy Nelson
19 Pierre Thomas
20 Tony Gonzalez

Worst Drops 2012

1 Aaron Hernandez
2 Jimmy Graham
3 Brandon Pettigrew
4 Randall Cobb
5 Jermichael Finley
6 Brent Celek
7 Denarius Moore
8 Marcedes Lewis
9 Victor Cruz
10 Brandon Myers
11 Jermaine Gresham
12 Rob Gronkowski
13 Demaryius Thomas
14 Trent Richardson
15 Andre Roberts
16 Cecil Shorts
17 T.Y. Hilton
18 Martellus Bennett
19 Dez Bryant
20 Eric Decker


Best Drops 2012

1 Jason Avant
2 Danny Amendola
3 Percy Harvin
4 Larry Fitzgerald
5 Vincent Jackson
6 James Jones
7 Hakeem Nicks
8 Dennis Pitta
9 Sidney Rice
10 Roddy White
11 Greg Olsen
12 Brian Hartline
13 Jeremy Kerley
14 Tony Gonzalez
15 Miles Austin
16 Jacquizz Rodgers
17 Malcom Floyd
18 Jacob Tamme
19 Anquan Boldin
20 Ray Rice

Therefore surely a case can be made that someone who is consistently in the top 15 worst drops list should not be getting top 3 wide receiver money?

I like DT, I just think his play should reflect his wages.

He is the best of the rest in my eyes, but outside the elite bracket because of this dropping issue

Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis

Therefore surely a case can be made that someone who is consistently in the top 15 worst drops list should not be getting top 3 wide receiver money?

I like DT, I just think his play should reflect his wages.

He is the best of the rest in my eyes, but outside the elite bracket because of this dropping issue

I agree that it sucks he has been in the top 15, but the way people trash him, you'd think he was in the top 5, or at least top 10. There are still a lot of good players in those top 20 lists and no one claims they have a dropping problem. As for the pay thing, that's getting to be a real pet peeve of mine. People want to judge a player by his draft position and his pay. Let me ask you, which players are paid those most at their position at are also the best at their position? Who is the best Quarterback in the NFL? Jay Cutler or Colin Kaepernick? What about Defensive Tackle? Suh or Dareus? Has Revis been the best CB the past few seasons? I don't buy that as an adequate qualifier for a players judge of talent. I'm happy Demaryius Thomas hasn't been playing like a $3 million dollar WR, because that's what he has been getting paid. The next one to feel the wrath will be Derek Wolfe. There's no way in hell people will be satisfied with him getting over $9million per season. Every little mistake he makes will be pointed out.

DT is tied for Dez as the 4th highest paid WR, right under Calvin Johnson, AJ Green, and Julio Jones. Right above TY Hilton, Mike Wallace, and Vincent Jackson.

4th highest paid at their positions.

Eli Manning
Lesean Mccoy
Charles Clay
Chris Baker
Cam Heyward
Vontaze Burfict

etc.


Edit:
These figures are for full contract. When looking at year by year, DT is 3rd in 2015, 4th in 2016, 8th in 2017, 9th in 2018, and 2nd in 2019. Two of those years he is set to make less than Jeremy freakin Maclin. At no point is he the highest paid WR in the NFL.

Originally Posted by Dapper Dan

I agree that it sucks he has been in the top 15, but the way people trash him, you'd think he was in the top 5, or at least top 10. There are still a lot of good players in those top 20 lists and no one claims they have a dropping problem. As for the pay thing, that's getting to be a real pet peeve of mine. People want to judge a player by his draft position and his pay. Let me ask you, which players are paid those most at their position at are also the best at their position? Who is the best Quarterback in the NFL? Jay Cutler or Colin Kaepernick? What about Defensive Tackle? Suh or Dareus? Has Revis been the best CB the past few seasons? I don't buy that as an adequate qualifier for a players judge of talent. I'm happy Demaryius Thomas hasn't been playing like a $3 million dollar WR, because that's what he has been getting paid. The next one to feel the wrath will be Derek Wolfe. There's no way in hell people will be satisfied with him getting over $9million per season. Every little mistake he makes will be pointed out.

I would be unhappy if we were paying those guys as well.

Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis

I would be unhappy if we were paying those guys as well.

Okay.

Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis

Therefore surely a case can be made that someone who is consistently in the top 15 worst drops list should not be getting top 3 wide receiver money?

I like DT, I just think his play should reflect his wages.

He is the best of the rest in my eyes, but outside the elite bracket because of this dropping issue

You think they base the money on drop percentage????

Originally Posted by Dapper Dan

So I looked up drop stats for 2015. There's no doubt he's using total drops, where DT is 5th. That does not take into account number of targets, catches, or anything else. Yes, a WR with 100 catches might have more drops than a WR with 10. When you use drop %, DT is nowhere near the top. I'll look more into it when I get on my laptop.

There is no problem - everything is fine.

Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis

I like DT, I just think his play should reflect his wages.

It does.