Thread: Report Alleges Peyton Manning HGH Use

Originally Posted by TimHippo

They have ESPN/Fox/NBC, etc sideline reporters in every city. It sounds like Peyton's team specifically asked for this interview to address the issue which is fine. But I think that getting so emotional was the wrong tactic by his team/Ari Fleisher. You look at someone like James Harrison and all he did was say that "I've never failed a test" Succinct, true and to the point.

Which athlete is the media making a big deal over? Manning.

Didn't even know Peppers or Matthews were implicated....because the media isn't creating a circus over them.

Originally Posted by TimHippo

Well you probably should if you are going to form an opinion on it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJRPxmTuxoI

Does the documentary point out which information is factual and which isn't? Or, is all the conclusions influenced by the recanted story Sly apparently used to test the investigator? Because if it is all used in a way that implies the non-facts are facts, then no, I shouldn't have to watch it to form an opinion. I can have an opinion based on the fact that Sly recanted. If he's an honest guy, his recant is what is relevant. If he's a dishonest guy, his original story is just as credible as his recant. If this documentary relies on his credibility, then the documentary's credibility is in question.

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

FWIW, just because he is recanting the story now doesn't mean he was lying when he said it. Saying what he did on video is a HIPPA violation and could get him in serious trouble, so he could just be "recanting" now to save his own ass.

Recanting won't save him from a HIPAA violation. You cannot under any circumstance discuss or release patient information...even with the patient's permission. Say your brother is in the hospital, even if you tell them, if someone calls to check on me, please release the info, they have to come to the hospital and give you the info yourself unless you are under duress and it is next of kin. The only info that can be released is yes, they are in this hospital. That's it.

Originally Posted by artie_dale

Does the documentary point out which information is factual and which isn't? Or, is all the conclusions influenced by the recanted story Sly apparently used to test the investigator? Because if it is all used in a way that implies the non-facts are facts, then no, I shouldn't have to watch it to form an opinion. I can have an opinion based on the fact that Sly recanted. If he's an honest guy, his recant is what is relevant. If he's a dishonest guy, his original story is just as credible as his recant. If this documentary relies on his credibility, then the documentary's credibility is in question.

Why don't you watch the documentary. Sly is just one of many experts, doctors, peddlers and enforcement officials that are featured in the documentary.

The documentary focuses on Manning for only around 2 minutes out of 50 but people are making it seem like the whole documentary is on Sly and Manning. If anything the most damning things to come out of the documentary are on 265 lbs Packer linebacker Gary Neal and Cub catcher Taylor Teagarden.

Originally Posted by GEM

Recanting won't save him from a HIPAA violation. You cannot under any circumstance discuss or release patient information...even with the patient's permission. Say your brother is in the hospital, even if you tell them, if someone calls to check on me, please release the info, they have to come to the hospital and give you the info yourself unless you are under duress and it is next of kin. The only info that can be released is yes, they are in this hospital. That's it.

That guy is toast. Will probably disappear and turn up floating on the shores of Galveston.

Originally Posted by TimHippo

Why don't you watch the documentary. Sly is just one of many experts, doctors, peddlers and enforcement officials that are featured in the documentary.

The documentary focuses on Manning for only around 2 minutes out of 50 but people are making it seem like the whole documentary is on Sly and Manning. If anything the most damning things to come out of the documentary are on 265 lbs Packer linebacker Gary Neal and Cub catcher Taylor Teagarden.

It just erks me how the media will take a morsel of something and explode it into something it is not. For the past 2 days, that's what it seems like. Maybe this was just a publicity stunt to get the documentary attention so people could watch it. I don't know. All I know is, the media (sports media) is failing on this in my opinion. All I heard this morning while I was getting to work was "Well, it was back in 2011, he said 'this', but he recanted it all the other day for 'this' apparent reason. But, who knows?!?!?! It still could be 'this'. But he was adamant that it wasn't 'this'. Because his credibility is in question whether he told the truth, how can we believe that he didn't????"

F$#k all of that. Is all there needs to be for news to be breaking is allegations? Even after an apparent recant? No thanks. I'll get caught up more in it all when actual facts surface. I'm not one to use up my time to speculate.

Originally Posted by Buff

I have no idea as to this guy's credibility - but just because he recanted his statement doesn't necessarily make it false. That chick who Greg Hardy beat up recanted her statement - but was pretty obviously paid to do so - which doesn't change the reality of her initial report.

Not saying I have any idea whether the claims are true - just that this guy recanting his statement doesn't necessarily make them false.

Exactly. People recant statements all the time to either cover themselves or because they were paid off or any number of reasons.

Originally Posted by artie_dale

It just erks me how the media will take a morsel of something and explode it into something it is not. For the past 2 days, that's what it seems like. Maybe this was just a publicity stunt to get the documentary attention so people could watch it. I don't know. All I know is, the media (sports media) is failing on this in my opinion. All I heard this morning while I was getting to work was "Well, it was back in 2011, he said 'this', but he recanted it all the other day for 'this' apparent reason. But, who knows?!?!?! It still could be 'this'. But he was adamant that it wasn't 'this'. Because his credibility is in question whether he told the truth, how can we believe that he didn't????"

F$#k all of that. Is all there needs to be for news to be breaking is allegations? Even after an apparent recant? No thanks. I'll get caught up more in it all when actual facts surface. I'm not one to use up my time to speculate.

This isn't going to go away anytime soon. Will probably go on for a long time.
I just wish that the Broncos would wake up and start Manning for the rest of the season. This is no way for Peyton to go out.

Originally Posted by GEM

Recanting won't save him from a HIPAA violation. You cannot under any circumstance discuss or release patient information...even with the patient's permission. Say your brother is in the hospital, even if you tell them, if someone calls to check on me, please release the info, they have to come to the hospital and give you the info yourself unless you are under duress and it is next of kin. The only info that can be released is yes, they are in this hospital. That's it.

Yeah, I'm not saying that recanting will make him safe from HIPPA, but I have no doubt that he would at least try to save himself by recanting.

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

Exactly. People recant statements all the time to either cover themselves or because they were paid off or any number of reasons.

I think in this case it's obvious. Sly was taped undercover saying a bunch of things. And that was exposed on the documentary so of course he's going to recant because he never meant for any of this to get out to the public.

This isn't a case of him saying something publicly and then recanting it later.

It seems like alot of people commenting haven't seen the documentary and do not even really know what is going on.

I sort of want Manning to play again real soon. If he's healthy I think he's our best option. Plus if he's pissed off he will want to prove himself to the world.

He said in his interview the other day that "this year is interesting to say the least". I know he's not happy with this style of offense. So I expect him to come out guns blazing when he gets back just to prove to everyone he can still play, regardless of Kubiaks style offense.

I heard today on the radio that HGH is used in In Vitro Fertilization. The Mannings had twins that same year. I wonder if the Mannings had trouble getting pregnant and this is the route they went? I absolutely could see this being the case and I think this entire story is bordering on serious invasion of privacy issues. Bringing Manning's wife into this story is off limits in my opinion.

Originally Posted by chazoe60

I heard today on the radio that HGH is used in In Vitro Fertilization. The Mannings had twins that same year. I wonder if the Mannings had trouble getting pregnant and this is the route they went? I absolutely could see this being the case and I think this entire story is bordering on serious invasion of privacy issues. Bringing Manning's wife into this story is off limits in my opinion.

Well said.

Originally Posted by chazoe60

I heard today on the radio that HGH is used in In Vitro Fertilization. The Mannings had twins that same year. I wonder if the Mannings had trouble getting pregnant and this is the route they went? I absolutely could see this being the case and I think this entire story is bordering on serious invasion of privacy issues. Bringing Manning's wife into this story is off limits in my opinion.

There's only 3 ways you can get HGH legally.
1. Bowel complications (If you have had part of your bowel cut due to cancer or something).
2. HIV wasting
3. Infertility

In fact in the documentary another pharmicist/drug supplier encourages the British undercover reporter to say he is using the HGH for fertility if he ever gets caught when transporting the drugs to England.

Originally Posted by tripp

Why was his wife getting medical shipments?

Don't know if there is a connection, but she had the twins in March 2011. One of the reasons Peyton could be so angry is it is possible fertility drugs were involved, and this is getting close to infringing on their (her) medical privacy involving the birth of the twins. Please, just speculatiion on my part. I fully support Peyton in this.