Thread: Bill Belichick and Ted Thompson had the balls to do it.

Originally Posted by Pudge

Really? If you had the resources available, you wouldn't want to benifit from them? "It'll heal eventually" That's stupid....

He was working with team doctors over what seems a fairly easy thing. Going to the Specialist says to me he wants to get better quicker than they think he will.
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Sure if you have the resources available and you feel they can help, do it. I just said seeing the specialist is a cue to me that I doubt he thinks this is his last season. Either that or he did not like the info being given by the normal doctors.
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My main point was I don't think Manning thinks he is playing his last season.

Originally Posted by gregbroncs

He was working with team doctors over what seems a fairly easy thing. Going to the Specialist says to me he wants to get better quicker than they think he will.
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Sure if you have the resources available and you feel they can help, do it. I just said seeing the specialist is a cue to me that I doubt he thinks this is his last season. Either that or he did not like the info being given by the normal doctors.
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My main point was I don't think Manning thinks he is playing his last season.

I think you're right, Broncos doctors gave him a time table he didn't like or want to accept, so he went elsewhere hoping for news of a speedy return.

Originally Posted by Yashahla17

I think you're right, Broncos doctors gave him a time table he didn't like or want to accept, so he went elsewhere hoping for news of a speedy return.

As nearly every player does. This is standard practice.

Originally Posted by Davii

As nearly every player does. This is standard practice.

Maybe you're right.

Yeah, don't really blame Manning for getting a second opinion. I think pretty much anyone would.

I knew Yashashaler couldn't stop talking about Manning.

Originally Posted by Yashahla17

Maybe you're right.

Not maybe.

Now we're dissecting him visiting a specialist? This is kind of getting ridiculous.

So, what did this "second opinion" reveal? Facts?

If his "plantar" thing is partially torn, and it is now a "fact" then shouldn't he get surgery? I mean from what I have been told and what I have heard people say that have had it, a full rupture is actually good.

I guess the question is.....What do we know for a fact?

I do find it interesting how we have not seen Manning limp at any point. Not even after his ouchy on his thigh he said he had last year after that abortion against the Colts in the play offs that just to happen to be two weeks prior the pro bowl game that the players hate to play in.

Huh....

We will chalk that up as just another one of those coincidences like when the "plantar thing" happened to happen immediately after he broke Favre's yards record. Oh, and those thinking he should get the wins record since he is tied with Favre should consider how that will not only be a record for about a year and half. Brady is like 20 games away from that, and I do not see him missing out on it.

Do you?

So, any facts after the second "opinion?"

Are you implying everyone is lying about Peyton being hurt?

Originally Posted by Dapper Dan

Are you implying everyone is lying about Peyton being hurt?

No, I am suggesting that he has not limped with all of these devastating injuries. That is a fact. Anyone have any video of him limping at all? I have not seen it. Have you?

I am also stating that they were both revealed (only after losses) and coincidentally happened after favre's record was broken and the other two weeks before the pro bowl that no player wants to play in.

How many people do you know who had such painful problems with their legs did not limp? Is that odd?

To me, that is odd.

Originally Posted by Broncoknight30

So, what did this "second opinion" reveal? Facts?

If his "plantar" thing is partially torn, and it is now a "fact" then shouldn't he get surgery? I mean from what I have been told and what I have heard people say that have had it, a full rupture is actually good.

Define "good." A complete tear means the heel and toe are no longer connected, which I've seen people say is pain-free but results in "dead leg," both of which make sense. What I've repeatedly and consistently read from many sources is that surgery is only recommended for ~1% of plantar fasciitis cases, and can actually make the condition WORSE (things like this are why it makes sense to get a second opinion from a leading specialist.)

Originally Posted by Broncoknight30

I guess the question is.....What do we know for a fact?

I do find it interesting how we have not seen Manning limp at any point. Not even after his ouchy on his thigh he said he had last year after that abortion against the Colts in the play offs that just to happen to be two weeks prior the pro bowl game that the players hate to play in.

Huh....

We will chalk that up as just another one of those coincidences like when the "plantar thing" happened to happen immediately after he broke Favre's yards record. Oh, and those thinking he should get the wins record since he is tied with Favre should consider how that will not only be a record for about a year and half. Brady is like 20 games away from that, and I do not see him missing out on it.

Do you?

So, any facts after the second "opinion?"

Define "we," but either way, WE aren't privy to Mannings private conservations with a doctor, nor are we likely to be. A partial tear's not consistent with lack of limp, per se (since all sources agree it's excruciatingly painful) but pain tolerance is one of the factors cited in speed of recovery and functionality prior to full recovery. The reality is that "we" KNOW very little and always will, a situation rife for conspiracy theories precisely because anyone can say any fool thing and dare everyone else to prove a negative.

Originally Posted by Joel

Define "good." A complete tear means the heel and toe are no longer connected, which I've seen people say is pain-free but results in "dead leg," both of which make sense. What I've repeatedly and consistently read from many sources is that surgery is only recommended for ~1% of plantar fasciitis cases, and can actually make the condition WORSE (things like this are why it makes sense to get a second opinion from a leading specialist.)


Define "we," but either way, WE aren't privy to Mannings private conservations with a doctor, nor are we likely to be. A partial tear's not consistent with lack of limp, per se (since all sources agree it's excruciatingly painful) but pain tolerance is one of the factors cited in speed of recovery and functionality prior to full recovery. The reality is that "we" KNOW very little and always will, a situation rife for conspiracy theories precisely because anyone can say any fool thing and dare everyone else to prove a negative.

In short, we know nothing for a FACT other than he did not limp at all in either of devastating injuries that happened only after losses and horrible play by Manning. Those are facts.

It is also a fact that one of the devastating injuries just so happened to happen after he broke the yards record that Manning was targeting, and the other one happened two weeks before the pro bowl that NFL players hate to play in.

Again, I appreciate what you are saying and you have presented facts medically. What we do not know for a fact, as you say, are the private conversations he has had with these special doctors.

That is all. Are my rhetorical questions (I guess that is what they are) suggesting stuff? Obviously. Anyone have any video or gif of Manning limping after the horrible thigh or the very painful plantar thing? If anyone does, can you upload it? I have been searching, and have not really found much.

Thanks.

Originally Posted by Dapper Dan

Are you implying everyone is lying about Peyton being hurt?

Yes. He is.

Are people saying we haven't seen Peyton limp.... Have we forgot that throw to Sanders when he could have crawled for the first down

I am just pleased he is rehabbing not playing through.

Limp-Gate!