Thread: Congrats, Kubiak - You turned Peyton Manning into Matt Schaub

Originally Posted by Ravage!!!

I believe the Broncos offered him a 3 year contract, but then wanted him to play his final year of his current contract, first...thus making it a four year deal and of course..... no guaranteed contracts. So the Broncos tried to get away with a steal, and JT didn't bite on it. I don't blame him,and we, are less of an offense for it.

JT said when he left Denver that the final offer was the one they Broncos made in the preseason. That was when Fox was still the coach. When Kubiak came to town everything changed. In his system, the TE MUST be able to block in the run game.

Joel Dreesen said the same thing this week on the radio. So did both Chad Brown and Alfred Williams. Remember that J.T. was a college basketball player.

Now, try and imagine any other sport where you pick up the game for the first time in college and expect to play in the big leagues? Could anybody, no matter how athletic, hope to start playing baseball for the first time at 20 and then a few years later you're in the majors, and getting a hit off Clayton Kershaw? Totally impossible.

So, it's inevitable that there are basic football things that Julius Thomas never learned how to do, that other players learn in high school, like how to block. He had to learn everything in the pros, and he never LIKED blocking, so he never became any good at it.

He loves running down the field, boxing out the DB and then going up for a jump ball - all things he learned to do playing basketball. That's why he was so effective in the red zone. Defenders couldn't "out-rebound" him. But, for a TE, "blocking is all about 'want-to.' You have to want to put your hat in there and beat a guy." -- Alfred Williams said that. They got rid of Julius because he never wanted to block.

Originally Posted by Dzone

Brady played great against pittsburgh with 3 rookies on his oline. Our line prob has more experience than new englands.

Brady's OL is running the same system as they have for the last 10 years. Denver is instituting a completely new system. NOBODY on that OL has ever played together with ANYBODY else on the rest of the line. Vasquez is the only player out of the entire starting 5 who was even on the active game day roster last year. And Sambrailo, Mathis, Garcia and Ryan Harris weren't even on the team at all.

Originally Posted by Cugel

JT said when he left Denver that the final offer was the one they Broncos made in the preseason. That was when Fox was still the coach. When Kubiak came to town everything changed. In his system, the TE MUST be able to block in the run game.

Joel Dreesen said the same thing this week on the radio. So did both Chad Brown and Alfred Williams. Remember that J.T. was a college basketball player.

Now, try and imagine any other sport where you pick up the game for the first time in college and expect to play in the big leagues? Could anybody, no matter how athletic, hope to start playing baseball for the first time at 20 and then a few years later you're in the majors, and getting a hit off Clayton Kershaw? Totally impossible.

So, it's inevitable that there are basic football things that Julius Thomas never learned how to do, that other players learn in high school, like how to block. He had to learn everything in the pros, and he never LIKED blocking, so he never became any good at it.

He loves running down the field, boxing out the DB and then going up for a jump ball - all things he learned to do playing basketball. That's why he was so effective in the red zone. Defenders couldn't "out-rebound" him. But, for a TE, "blocking is all about 'want-to.' You have to want to put your hat in there and beat a guy." -- Alfred Williams said that. They got rid of Julius because he never wanted to block.

Make up your mind. They made him the same offer, or they "got rid of him?" Sounds like you want to say one thing, but want to believe another. Talking from both sides as if it were fact. Using opinions and making them into facts, doesn't make them facts.

Keep talking about how the system doesn't work with JT allllllll you want if that makes you feel better about losing that kind of dynamic weapon. But the truth is, our offense is much much weaker and much less potent without him in Orange and Blue.

I think a person can acknowledge that we are worse off without Julius, while also acknowledging that he wasn't worth the $$. We tried to get him at a reasonable price - he correctly held out for more money - then he proceeded to milk his ankle injury in a contract year and soured the entire organization on him to the point that they had zero contact with him after the season.

Originally Posted by buff

i think a person can acknowledge that we are worse off without julius, while also acknowledging that he wasn't worth the $$. We tried to get him at a reasonable price - he correctly held out for more money - then he proceeded to milk his ankle injury in a contract year and soured the entire organization on him to the point that they had zero contact with him after the season.

boom.

Originally Posted by Northman

boom.

ka-boom

I knew Kubes was great, but I didn't realize he was father time.

Originally Posted by slim

I knew Kubes was great, but I didn't realize he was father time.

Manning certainly isn't the same quarterback he was ten years ago let alone even two years ago but at this point I still think the struggles have more to do with needing time to gel. At some point things have to start clicking and if they don't then maybe Manning really can't do it anymore.

Originally Posted by Buff

I think a person can acknowledge that we are worse off without Julius, while also acknowledging that he wasn't worth the $$. We tried to get him at a reasonable price - he correctly held out for more money - then he proceeded to milk his ankle injury in a contract year and soured the entire organization on him to the point that they had zero contact with him after the season.

I think we're worst off in the passing game, but better off in the running game.

I think his attitude also affected morale

I think the problem on offense is they call the same play too many times. I seen the same single set screen with fainting goat at least 10 times last week, maybe it would work better if they got rid of the fainting goat part of it.

Yep

Made plays when it mattered. Still wanna call him Schaub????

Let Peyton Peyton

Free Peyton Manning!

at least kubiak adjusts the offense when its not working. not that bad of a coach.

Originally Posted by ShaneFalco

at least kubiak adjusts the offense when its not working. not that bad of a coach.

Exactly