Thread: The Good and the Bad: Week 1

Originally Posted by UnderArmour

Meh. I hope Manning turns it around, but based on the game 4.4 yards per attempt is what I measure the QB's ability on. He continually took throws short of the down marker and hoped the receiver would convert. Manning beat nobody with his arm today.

All good, I won't argue that he beat anybody, but I will argue that average per attempt is usually pretty poor when the completion percentage is low, I'd bet money Manning had a poor completion percentage too. I will also argue that this is a dink and dunk offense, always has been, they use ball control and try to beat you deep once they establish the run, which they failed to twice.

Originally Posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor

Originally Posted by underrated29

You are right. But which other defenses will we face in the playoffs better than the Ravens? Steelers? Pats*? Colts* Seahawks? Bills? Dolphins?

Only the bills, dolphins and Seahawks have defenses on par with the Ravens. The Seahawks would only be in the SB, I doubt they make 3 in a row.
The bills are even harder than the Ravens but it's doubtful they make the playoffs. The Dolphins may but we can handle them.


Who else would we face with s better defense?



Ps- jaded is baller

This ^^

People are not giving Baltimore's defense nearly enough credit.

Does Joe Flacco now suck sour pickles because he had a worst game than Manning?

Is the Ravens O line hot garbage now too?

I could go to the team forum if I wanted a bunch knee jerk reactions.

agree with jaded UR and Mr Wilson. far far far too early to write Manning off. I said it early and camp thing that concerns me the most about this team is the young offensive line. Manning will be fine if they establish the run game which all keys on the offensive line. And give him more than a few seconds to set his feet when he's under center. there were a ton of blown protections today. That was on the line but also on the backs and tight ends

Originally Posted by UnderArmour

Meh. I hope Manning turns it around, but based on the game 4.4 yards per attempt is what I measure the QB's ability on. He continually took throws short of the down marker and hoped the receiver would convert. Manning beat nobody with his arm today.

^This

The bigger problem is its this type of game where Manning needs to play his absolute best because it will be this kind of team that we face come playoff time. I wouldnt be near as concerned if we werent paying him a shit ton of money to be "the" guy.

Originally Posted by Northman

^This

The bigger problem is its this type of game where Manning needs to play his absolute best because it will be this kind of team that we face come playoff time. I wouldnt be near as concerned if we werent paying him a shit ton of money to be "the" guy.

...and yet he still outplayed Flacco....maybe you're not giving the Ravens D enough credit.

Originally Posted by Jaded

A 2nd and 4th draft picks and an All-Pro G isn't investing in the OL?

Not really. You bitch about o line and zone blocking more than anyone in history. Elway got lucky Mathis was still available, and he signed him so late he didn't get many reps with his new team.

So no. Your response is bullshit.

Originally Posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor

...and yet he still outplayed Flacco....maybe you're not giving the Ravens D enough credit.

Either that or i over value Manning over Flacco.

Just for the record Eli manning and Tony romo are both playing worse than Peyton manning but they are playing VASTLY superior defenses.....oh wait.

Originally Posted by underrated29

You are right. But which other defenses will we face in the playoffs better than the Ravens? Steelers? Pats*? Colts* Seahawks? Bills? Dolphins?

Only the bills, dolphins and Seahawks have defenses on par with the Ravens. The Seahawks would only be in the SB, I doubt they make 3 in a row.
The bills are even harder than the Ravens but it's doubtful they make the playoffs. The Dolphins may but we can handle them.


Who else would we face with s better defense?



Ps- jaded is baller

Some defenses will be better in January, some will be worse. One thing that won't change is Manning's wheels.

Look, just because I point out that flaw doesn't make me a mouthbreather, and if you choose not to see it, I guess you should just ignore me. It is a huge liability and every opposing defensive coordinator knows it.

Manning wasn't getting a lot of time. The INT was a poor decision by Manning under duress. He makes fewer poor decisions when he stays upright. Outside of the protection issue, and a few accuracy issues, I don't see a reason to panic. Sure, today's performance won't cut it, but I'm giving the line a few weeks to gel before I put Manning in the crosshairs.

The defense is the real deal. Ugly game but the result is extremely satisfying.

Stop.

I am worried about the offense. If the offense can do that final drive every time then great. But having Manning throw it almost 50 times will lead to a noodle arm.

Offensive line will get better, they will get better as they play together but it will take time. Rookies may have had first game jitters and just wide eyed going against that DLine.

Manning and WR timing needs to be better which I hope is just going to be more reps together.

Originally Posted by Slick

Not really. You bitch about o line and zone blocking more than anyone in history. Elway got lucky Mathis was still available, and he signed him so late he didn't get many reps with his new team.

So no. Your response is bullshit.

What I think about the OL and ZBS has nothing to do with you being wrong about them investing on the OL, a 2, a 4 and an All-Pro. Luck aside the Broncos addressed it. Now if you'd prefer the Broncos had told Manning to pound sand and spent that cap space on a couple more All-Pro OL then just say so.

Originally Posted by NightTerror218

I am worried about the offense. If the offense can do that final drive every time then great. But having Manning throw it almost 50 times will lead to a noodle arm.

Offensive line will get better, they will get better as they play together but it will take time. Rookies may have had first game jitters and just wide eyed going against that DLine.

Manning and WR timing needs to be better which I hope is just going to be more reps together.

That final drive is one reason I think the offense will get their issues worked out.

Originally Posted by UnderArmour

I just don't see Manning as the best QB on our roster anymore. It's time for Brock to start. We absolutely cannot go through 16 games with a QB that cannot throw beyond 15 yards. He picked off RIGHT where he left off at the end of last year. He's just not a playmaker anymore. I don't know if it's his neck, if it's his thigh, or if it's his arm, but he is definitely done. At the end of last year, I thought this might be temporary and he'd come back, but it never happened. Then today, we see the exactly thing we saw at the end of last year. He just doesn't have it anymore. The defense should not have to bail this team out every week; without that Talib pick 6, this team had no chance of driving down on a Raven's D for 7 points. Next week isn't going to be any easier, either.

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner for most imbecilic post of the season! I'm sure there are lots of whiners who think like you.

Here's a thought that ought to penetrate just a bit of your confusion: Peyton generally OVERTHREW his receivers today. There's nothing wrong with his arm at all. He doesn't look like the end of last year. Last year when his thigh was injured he couldn't step into any throw.

Peyton will be fine. He missed a couple of deep balls, and the offense couldn't run the ball effectively for 3 quarters - which is what it is designed to do. That and the fact that he had absolutely no chance on 4 clean sacks where the OL simply "Oled" pass rushers.

And the OL wasn't terrible either. Every one of those sacks came on stunts and disguised blitzes. The OL is young and there were coverage breakdowns on delayed blitzes.

This new offense is a work in progress. And it will be a struggle at times. Talk about leaping to idiotic conclusions!

People are just going to have to chill out and not freak out if Peyton doesn't throw for 350 yards and 4 TDs every game.

He's proven he can still throw the ball 50 yards down field. He did it in this game and overthrew his WR and did it in the pre-season too, so statements like "he can't throw 15 yards" is just beyond idiotic. He made a couple of over-throws on deep balls, and had some timing issues with some WRs. He was under intense pressure on the pick-six and Norwood failed to make a play on the ball and allowed his defender to drive RIGHT THROUGH HIM to tip and intercept the ball.

That's 100% on the receiver and 0% on Peyton Manning. Peyton hit him on the hands, and he needs to at least put up a fight for the ball and not get totally owned like that.

Do you people even know that John Elway threw for 123 yards on 12 completions out of 23 passes, with zero TDs and 1 INT in the end zone in the Broncos 1997 SB game. They won anyway.

That's how this team is being designed by Elway and Kubiak.

But, you better get used to it, because no matter how loudly you whine, you're not going to see one single whiff of Brock Osweiler during this entire regular season. He ain't playing. Deal with it.

Originally Posted by Slick

Some defenses will be better in January, some will be worse. One thing that won't change is Manning's wheels.

Look, just because I point out that flaw doesn't make me a mouthbreather, and if you choose not to see it, I guess you should just ignore me. It is a huge liability and every opposing defensive coordinator knows it.

I can't ignore you baby cakes, but it's not fair to say I don't see something when I've acknowledged so, but see the oline as a more severe issue than Peyton. And aside from the chefs and lions are not likely to see another defense of that caliber until we see them again in the playoffs.

I believe Balt deserves credit for their outstanding d as much as the oline and Peyton deserve criticism for their performance. To me it's in that order. You think otherwise, that's cool.