Thread: Peyton Manning's ability to throw the long ball, has drastically declined. His thigh is good right?

I think it is going to be frustrating watching Manning this year. Could be me, but we all know age is a real factor. It is rather clear to me that it is really catching up to Manning.

If you all noticed too, Kubiak does run a lot more roll outs with OZ. Not that that is all that shocking, but the running game that we see being run when Manning is in there is not really the STRETCH run. It should be effective, but I just do not see it being what most think it might be.

I do know many clung to the EXCUSE about his bad thigh. I think it is good now right? The point is he under threw passes last night and those were passes that were automatic for him. They really aren't anymore.

Possible.

While im not quite ready to bury Peyton under the sand i do feel that it takes him a while to get going in any given football game. Not sure if its age or the injuries (now finding out about the numbness in his fingers) but he does seem inconsistent in his passing. To be honest, im really not sure if he is much better than Oz at this point in his career. I already had concerns about him coming into the year but he hasnt looked all that great in the preseason this year even though i know Kubes has been keeping him sidelined to try and protect him. But at what stage do we really decide to move on? Sometimes his passes look great, others not so much. All the talk has been how great his passing has looked in practice but from what ive seen it really hasnt been there. Guess we will have to let it play out but i have to admit ive been a little more impressed with Oz this preseason than Peyton himself. And at least Oz has a little more mobility.

Once I read that you're not sure if Peyton is any better than Os at this point in his career I stopped reading.

Originally Posted by Northman

Possible.

While im not quite ready to bury Peyton under the sand i do feel that it takes him a while to get going in any given football game. Not sure if its age or the injuries (now finding out about the numbness in his fingers) but he does seem inconsistent in his passing. To be honest, im really not sure if he is much better than Oz at this point in his career. I already had concerns about him coming into the year but he hasnt looked all that great in the preseason this year even though i know Kubes has been keeping him sidelined to try and protect him. But at what stage do we really decide to move on? Sometimes his passes look great, others not so much. All the talk has been how great his passing has looked in practice but from what ive seen it really hasnt been there. Guess we will have to let it play out but i have to admit ive been a little more impressed with Oz this preseason than Peyton himself. And at least Oz has a little more mobility.

Yeah, I am not sure about OZ being better at "passing." What I do think is it may very well true that OZ is better for what Kubiak wants to do. It is clear Kubiak is NOT going to roll Manning out beyond the tackles. If there is play action, it is straight back.

Now, typically the west coast offense stretch run sort of relies on QBs that have that ability and are nimble on their feet. I went over this on Football 101 where I showed a youtube video where Alex Gibbs goes over the zone running blocking scheme. If you watch it, you will see Elway on so many hand offs, is giving that bootleg look. Which, cuts off or slows down backside pursuit. That, is pretty essential in order to get multiple lanes to open up. The slightest of delays often makes ALL the difference.

This offense imo is not going to be what we have come to expect the last 3 years with Manning. The second half of last season, which culminated into that...display in the play offs was not some aberration.

It is just a paradigm shift that we as fans I think should be getting used to. Of course, Broncos fans that are old enough, should be all too familiar with the offense Kubiak is bringing in.

He's not rolling Manning out because it's the preseason.

As far as his arm, he's going to be fine. That pass to Caldwell over the middle can only be completed by about six guys in the league and Manning is one of them.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

He's not rolling Manning out because it's the preseason. As far as his arm, he's going to be fine. That pass to Caldwell over the middle can only be completed by about six guys in the league and Manning is one of them.

That pass was a thing of beauty with five Niners around Bubba. Caldwell has made some really nice catches this preseason.

Originally Posted by SR

Once I read that you're not sure if Peyton is any better than Os at this point in his career I stopped reading.

Good. Your opinion means shit anyway.

Originally Posted by SR

That pass was a thing of beauty with five Niners around Bubba. Caldwell has made some really nice catches this preseason.

He clearly under threw the fade pass to Thomas, but I think he just under threw it not because he can't get it there. Every report out of camp and from what I've seen in preseason suggests his arm is fine. Of course he's not 25 anymore, but he knows what he can do.

Originally Posted by Northman

Good. Your opinion means shit anyway.

Oh.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

He clearly under threw the fade pass to Thomas, but I think he just under threw it not because he can't get it there. Every report out of camp and from what I've seen in preseason suggests his arm is fine. Of course he's not 25 anymore, but he knows what he can do.

I agree. We'll see how things pan out in games that matter.

Originally Posted by Broncoknight30

What I do think is it may very well true that OZ is better for what Kubiak wants to do.

Wait? you think a guy who is twice as young might be able to do something that a 39 year old cant? Really? Say it aint so Joe!

Originally Posted by Northman

Wait? you think a guy who is twice as young might be able to do something that a 39 year old cant? Really? Say it aint so Joe!

No one said be can't. But no one said he's better than manning either

Originally Posted by SR

No one said be can't. But no one said he's better than manning either

I didnt say he was better than Manning. Thats why its important to actually read a post in full instead of assuming the worst.

Originally Posted by Northman

I didnt say he was better than Manning. Thats why its important to actually read a post in full instead of assuming the worst.

You said at this point you weren't sure he was better than Brock. Semantics and bad wording aside, your point is that you think Brock is on the same level as Manning which is not even close to accurate.

IMO, I think the early blitzes by SF forced Peyton to get rid of the ball quicker than he would have, which resulted in some of his passes not being on target. Hopefully with Mathis in there, that will improve. Also, you think the Broncos' blitzes did not affect Kaepernick. Wasn't it zero yards passing for SF in the first half?