Thread: Demaryius Thomas, Broncos still searching for middle ground as deadline nears

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

I'm not really sure what to tell you here, Joe, because the Broncos have signed three players to a second contract or an extension in the last 10 drafts. Two (Chris Kuper and Ryan Clady) were signed by McDaniels and one (Virgil Green) was signed by Elway.

dumervil, chris harris, colquitt, prater, just off the top of my head. . . plus david bruton. . . yea, pretty bad, though. . . denver has been terrible at drafting for a long time now, through several regimes. . .

Originally Posted by dogfish

dumervil, chris harris, colquitt, prater, just off the top of my head. . .

You got me on Dumervil. None of the rest were drafted. I was specific about that for a reason, because that's what Elway said in his initial press conference.

Dumervil was also drafted by Shanahan and signed by McDaniels. So we're still on 1 for Elway.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

Someone will counter with Chris Harris. Four in 10 years still isn't good IMO.

David bruton, Elvis Dumervil...

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

Dumervil was also drafted by Shanahan and signed by McDaniels. So we're still on 1 for Elway.

well, if you're just grading elway, it's probably fair to mention that he's only HAD one of his draft classes come up for extensions. . . guys like von and roby will get extended when their time comes. . . you can't blame him for letting julius thomas and rahim moore go given the circumsances. . . but yea, we do need to draft better. . .

So we're all the way up to 5 and 4 were signed by McDaniels. 5 in 10 years is still a terrible number.

Originally Posted by dogfish

well, if you're just grading elway, it's probably fair to mention that he's only HAD one of his draft classes come up for extensions. . . guys like von and roby will get extended when their time comes. . . you can't blame him for letting julius thomas and rahim moore go given the circumsances. . . but yea, we do need to draft better. . .

I assume after Manning retires he'll sign a few more home grown players and as long as they win its fine. But to me, it's a little troubling that only 5 players in 10 years got a 2nd contract.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

Dumervil was also drafted by Shanahan and signed by McDaniels. So we're still on 1 for Elway.

Elways draft picks just hit the market this year. Franklin and rahim got paid. there were teams that valued Elways picks.

For reference, here are the Broncos' drafts since 2005.

2014 1 Bradley Roby DB
2014 2 Cody Latimer WR
2014 3 Michael Schofield OL
2014 5 Lamin Barrow LB
2014 6 Matt Paradis OL
2014 7 Corey Nelson LB
2013 1 Sylvester Williams DT
2013 2 Montee Ball RB
2013 3 Kayvon Webster DB
2013 5 Quanterus Smith DE
2013 5 Tavarres King WR
2013 6 Vinston Painter OL
2013 7 Zac Dysert QB
2012 2 Derek Wolfe DT
2012 2 Brock Osweiler QB
2012 3 Ronnie Hillman RB
2012 4 Omar Bolden DB
2012 4 Philip Blake OL
2012 5 Malik Jackson DT
2012 6 Danny Trevathan LB
2011 1 Von Miller LB
2011 2 Rahim Moore DB
2011 2 Orlando Franklin OL
2011 3 Nate Irving LB
2011 4 Quinton Carter DB
2011 4 Julius Thomas TE
2011 6 Mike Mohamed LB
2011 7 Virgil Green TE
2011 7 Jeremy Beal DL
2010 1 Demaryius Thomas WR
2010 1 Tim Tebow QB
2010 2 Zane Beadles G
2010 3 J.D. Walton C
2010 3 Eric Decker WR
2010 5 Perrish Cox DB
2010 6 Eric Olsen C
2010 7 Syd'Quan Thompson DB
2010 7 Jammie Kirlew DE
2009 1 Knowshon Moreno RB
2009 1 Robert Ayers DE
2009 2 Alphonso Smith DB
2009 2 Darcel McBath DB
2009 2 Richard Quinn TE
2009 4 David Bruton DB
2009 4 Seth Olsen G
2009 5 Kenny McKinley WR
2009 6 Tom Brandstater QB
2009 7 Blake Schlueter C
2008 1 Ryan Clady T
2008 2 Eddie Royal WR
2008 4 Kory Lichtensteiger C
2008 4 Jack Williams DB
2008 5 Ryan Torain RB
2008 5 Carlton Powell DT
2008 6 Spencer Larsen LB
2008 7 Josh Barrett DB
2008 7 Peyton Hillis FB
2007 1 Jarvis Moss DE
2007 2 Tim Crowder DE
2007 3 Ryan Harris T
2007 4 Marcus Thomas DT
2006 1 Jay Cutler QB
2006 2 Tony Scheffler TE
2006 4 Brandon Marshall WR
2006 4 Elvis Dumervil DE
2006 4 Domenik Hixon WR
2006 5 Chris Kuper OG
2006 6 Greg Eslinger C
2005 2 Darrent Williams DB
2005 3 Karl Paymah DB
2005 3 Domonique Foxworth DB
2005 3 Maurice Clarett RB
2005 6 Chris Myers G
2005 7 Paul Ernster K

Not a big Woody fan, but I like what he said about DT: Franchise him twice then get rid of him.
The Broncos are much deeper at WR than the average fan seems to think. And I would rather
see them develop the interior lines and, of course, future QB.

Originally Posted by topscribe

Not a big Woody fan, but I like what he said about DT: Franchise him twice then get rid of him.
The Broncos are much deeper at WR than the average fan seems to think. And I would rather
see them develop the interior lines and, of course, future QB.

Only if Latimer steps up. If he doesn't, the position is quite shallow past Sanders and Thomas.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

I assume after Manning retires he'll sign a few more home grown players and as long as they win its fine. But to me, it's a little troubling that only 5 players in 10 years got a 2nd contract.

i don't disagree with you in theory, but that's what happens when you have bad management. . . your boy mcdaniels is more to blame than anyone-- he shipped out most of our recent draft picks with zero effort at developing them, and then left elway with a bunch of garbage besides DT and decker. . . with the roster getting basically gutted twice in five years, yea, it is gonna look that way. . .

if elway brings in some journeyman vet after manning, i will very much share your concern. . . but i think the unprecedented opportunity to get PFE was a MORE than understandable reason for diverting from the draft-and-develop strategy. . . i'd be a lot more disappointed if we wouldn't try to make a run under the circumstances. . . this can potentially be a very different conversation in three years, but for now i'm not sweating it too badly. . . i would guess that at least one of wolfe and jackson earns an extension this coming off-season, and i bet trevathan would have been in line for one if his knee had held up. . . sylvester williams is another candidate. . . i think we'll see it happening in the next couple of years. . .

Originally Posted by dogfish

i don't disagree with you in theory, but that's what happens when you have bad management. . . your boy mcdaniels is more to blame than anyone-- he shipped out most of our recent draft picks with zero effort at developing them, and then left elway with a bunch of garbage besides DT and decker. . . with the roster getting basically gutted twice in five years, yea, it is gonna look that way. . .

if elway brings in some journeyman vet after manning, i will very much share your concern. . . but i think the unprecedented opportunity to get PFE was a MORE than understandable reason for diverting from the draft-and-develop strategy. . . i'd be a lot more disappointed if we wouldn't try to make a run under the circumstances. . . this can potentially be a very different conversation if three years, but for now i'm not sweating it too badly. . . i would guess that at least one of wolfe and jackson earns an extension this coming off-season, and i bet trevathan would have been in line for one if his knee had held up. . . sylvester williams is another candidate. . . i think we'll see it happening in the next couple of years. . .

Elway has let go of much better talent than McDaniels, so let's not get too crazy.

I'll completely reserve judgment as long as Elway wins and until Manning retires, but I'll definitely point it out that the track record has not been good, and it's actually been worse with Elway.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

Only if Latimer steps up. If he doesn't, the position is quite shallow past Sanders and Thomas.

Well, it would appear that way, but it is my understanding that Norwood and Fowler really
impressed. I mean, look at the WR corps of the Patriots and Seahawks, respectively --
the SB champions of the last two years, as you know. How much fear to they strike in the
hearts of opposing secondaries?

Originally Posted by topscribe

Well, it would appear that way, but it is my understanding that Norwood and Fowler really
impressed. I mean, look at the WR corps of the Patriots and Seahawks, respectively --
the SB champions of the last two years, as you know. How much fear to they strike in the
hearts of opposing secondaries?

We have two sure things. And three maybes. And nothing at tight end. I'm not worried about how the Seahawks roster or Patriots rosters looked in the past. That Seahawks roster had better receivers than Norwood or Fowler (I'll admit, I know nothing about Fowler), for sure and the Broncos don't have Gronk, they jettisoned that option.