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    Default chris carter/ Shane Ray ESPON segment.

    So i saw this posted on OM. Had to post here, was hilarious.


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    Missouri defensive end Shane Ray was selected by the Broncos with the 23rd overall pick, much lower than he likely would have been selected had he not been pulled over three days prior for speeding and a search of his car revealed he had a small amount of marijuana in a compartment. He was cited for possession of under 35 grams of marijuana, driving in the right lane, and given a warning for the speeding. That's it. He was cooperative, he was not stoned, and he was not detained. Never let that stop the NFL media from putting on their concerned pants and saying a rosary for better decision making in the future.

    Which brings us to this weird clip. Trey Wingo introduces this segment featuring Cris Carter as if Ray got a reprieve from death row and is lucky to be free, let alone a Denver Bronco, noting his terrible neighborhood and lack of father, while also dealing with "this"—which, again, is a marijuana citation for less than 35 grams and doesn't even exist in his new place of employment. Cris Carter says some nice things and offers valuable advice—a good rule of thumb in life is to never do anything to disappoint your mother—but do we need to further make an example of this kid to feel better about ourselves? The narrative we see all too often with creepy things where grown men talk about hand sizes for eight hours—that "he cost himself millions of dollars with poor judgment..but he's shown great accountability since"—is, at best, paternalistic grandstanding and, at worst, completely dehumanizing. Shane Ray had a little bit of weed in his car! That's it!
    Chris carter has lost his damn mind.
    Shane must have felt really awkward
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    Chris Carter has done more to mentor and advise young players than you will ever know.
    Carter is emotional, passionate and adamant in trying to give them a chance to avoid mistakes that Carter had to overcome.
    You are crazy if you think Chris has lost his mind.
    The NFL and all Pro sports need more guys like Chris Carter.

    Poor Ray felt awkward ? He should be embarrassed !
    He spiraled down in the draft and the Broncos gave him a chance.
    You better believe that Ray is going to hear more of the same from the Bronco locker room leaders.

    Anyone that thinks that was hilarious must have a twisted view on life.


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    lol give me a break. Poor shane will never forgive himself! He has wronged the world! I just hope he can play football one day!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Az Snake View Post
    Chris Carter has done more to mentor and advise young players than you will ever know.
    Carter is emotional, passionate and adamant in trying to give them a chance to avoid mistakes that Carter had to overcome.
    You are crazy if you think Chris has lost his mind.
    The NFL and all Pro sports need more guys like Chris Carter.

    Poor Ray felt awkward ? He should be embarrassed !
    He spiraled down in the draft and the Broncos gave him a chance.
    You better believe that Ray is going to hear more of the same from the Bronco locker room leaders.

    Anyone that thinks that was hilarious must have a twisted view on life.
    he was grandstanding, and has lost his damn mind if he thinks that was the right thing to do.

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    For me Carter's message lost all effect because of how excitable he was.

    It was the type of interaction Ray will be joking about with his buddies IMO

    Just because Carter means well - does not mean he will be effective. In fact if those kind of messages are not delivered in a way that the person receiving then can relate to - they may well have the opposite effect
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    the dude literally broke down crying like Ray had just turned into Aaron Hernandez.

    Its absurd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShaneFalco View Post
    he was grandstanding, and has lost his damn mind if he thinks that was the right thing to do.
    Maybe marijuana is legal in Colorado but it's not legal in the NFL.
    Ask Von Miller, suspended 6 games in 2013.
    Von tested positive in his rookie season, then struck out again with the NFL and hurt his team.

    The kid needs to get his priorities straightened out or he will ruin his career.
    Ray needs some verbal beat downs and he'll get more for sure.
    HOFer Chris Carter doesn't need to grandstand and probably didn't have a choice when ESPN aired that.

    Shane Ray better not let down the Denver Broncos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Az Snake View Post

    Maybe marijuana is legal in Colorado but it's not legal in the NFL.
    Ask Von Miller, suspended 6 games in 2013.
    Von tested positive in his rookie season, then struck out again with the NFL and hurt his team.

    The kid needs to get his priorities straightened out or he will ruin his career.
    Ray needs some verbal beat downs and he'll get more for sure.
    HOFer Chris Carter doesn't need to grandstand and probably didn't have a choice when ESPN aired that.

    Shane Ray better not let down the Denver Broncos.
    I absolutely agree with all of this, but I just think Carter likely achieved nothing with that approach.

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    Not the type of conversation that needs to go on in front of the camera.

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    That was weird.


    So carter pulls Shane aside for a few moments during the draft and then starts crying. Crying so hard he gets upset, forgets what he was doing, and walks out?.....leaving Shane there like wtf do I do now?....

    Weird
    The Plan at the moment:

    Draft: Trade a 3rd and 6th this year to a team to move up and get a 2nd next year (this will happen).

    Players I want:
    Jake Ferguson (Jake Butt) or Jelani Woods or Jeremy Ruckert or Cade Otten (owen daniels) at TE- All 4th rd or later.
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    Neil Farrell, JR DL- run stuffer- bye purcell

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    Somebody might want to drug test Carter......
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    Shane, If you quote material from another site, post a link. It's both the correct thing to do and a forum rule. Please fix/edit your post.

    As to the clip. I think some of you guys seem to miss the point, which probably isn't lost on Ray. That is that Ray's mother sacrificed a TREMENDOUS amount to try and get Ray out of the horrible circumstances he/they were in. He was getting into trouble, on a fast track to jail, like his father, when she started working an extra job to pay the tuition at a Catholic school, which is where he started playing football.

    He has an opportunity to do something great, and that will let him take care of his mother, rewarding her for the sacrifices she made for him, and instead he's risking ******* it all up. Failing a drug test in college, getting pulled over the week of the draft with MJ in the car. What he did the week of the draft was about as idiotic as it gets. He's risking it all, and that's the message that Carter was trying to tell him.

    Based on how remorseful Ray is claiming to be, if he's not just spewing BS for the cameras, then he probably fully understands and appreciates what Carter was saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tned View Post
    Shane, If you quote material from another site, post a link. It's both the correct thing to do and a forum rule. Please fix/edit your post.

    As to the clip. I think some of you guys seem to miss the point, which probably isn't lost on Ray. That is that Ray's mother sacrificed a TREMENDOUS amount to try and get Ray out of the horrible circumstances he/they were in. He was getting into trouble, on a fast track to jail, like his father, when she started working an extra job to pay the tuition at a Catholic school, which is where he started playing football.

    He has an opportunity to do something great, and that will let him take care of his mother, rewarding her for the sacrifices she made for him, and instead he's risking ******* it all up. Failing a drug test in college, getting pulled over the week of the draft with MJ in the car. What he did the week of the draft was about as idiotic as it gets. He's risking it all, and that's the message that Carter was trying to tell him.

    Based on how remorseful Ray is claiming to be, if he's not just spewing BS for the cameras, then he probably fully understands and appreciates what Carter was saying.
    well said, well said...

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    It was pretty obvious Ray didn't find it to be "stupid".

    It may have not been something that should have been said in front of a camera, but I ask you, what other man has got in his face and said that with full conviction and experience? I for one have mentored a number of young men who have had struggled with addictions and legal issues. When I speak to them I do so from my personal failures and victories. I can assure you, there is passion involved.

    Cris is right, he should be ashamed for risking everything his mother sacrificed. You're correct, it was all over a little weed, which leads to the statement, "you're a damn fool if you jeopardize all of that for a little weed.".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor View Post
    It was pretty obvious Ray didn't find it to be "stupid".

    It may have not been something that should have been said in front of a camera, but I ask you, what other man has got in his face and said that with full conviction and experience? I for one have mentored a number of young men who have had struggled with addictions and legal issues. When I speak to them I do so from my personal failures and victories. I can assure you, there is passion involved.

    Cris is right, he should be ashamed for risking everything his mother sacrificed. You're correct, it was all over a little weed, which leads to the statement, "you're a damn fool if you jeopardize all of that for a little weed.".
    He's probably heard it from several people, who thought it was none of our business to watch a private, personal conversation happen.

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