Thread: Sam on gay players: 'A lot of us'

Michael Sam may be the first openly gay player to be selected in the NFL draft, but he said Thursday that there are more gay players in the NFL.

"I am not the only gay person in the NFL," Sam said during a speech and Q&A session in Dallas on Thursday, according to the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. "I'm just saying there is a lot of us. I respect the players that did reach out to me and had the courage to tell me that they were also gay, but they do not have the same courage as I do to come out before I even played a down in the NFL.

"Was it a risky move? Yes. But at that moment, the reason why I came out is I thought it wasn't going to be a big deal. Maybe I was naive. Maybe I thought it was 2014, and people will understand that there's gay NFL players. There's gay athletes everywhere. But I was clearly wrong. It was a huge deal.

"The players who have reached out to me and told me about their sexual orientation, it just means a lot. But I will never say anything about who they are, what teams they are [on]. I'm just saying there's some famous people, and I'm not the only one."

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Yea, i had posted this in the Sam thread in P&R.

I hope he doesn't injure himself patting himself on the back.

He's still holding on to his 15 mins of fame and using the gay agenda as his crutch.

Originally Posted by DenBronx

He's still holding on to his 15 mins of fame and using the gay agenda as his crutch.

I'd like to hear more on that. What is this "Gay Agenda" being shrewdly leveraged? Both you and Silk mentioned it and there were lots of upvotes.

Sounds properly diabolical. Is there a Gay manifesto I should be aware of?

Originally Posted by tomjonesrocks

I'd like to hear more on that. What is this "Gay Agenda" being shrewdly leveraged? Both you and Silk mentioned it and there were lots of upvotes.

Is there a Gay manifesto I should be aware of out there?

Yes. If a gay wants something, give it to him/her or you'll be branded a homophobic bigot. If you express an option that differs from the official view of the gay community, especially gender orientation & gay marriage, you’ll be branded a homophobic bigot. Examples (as previously posted in this thread):

Chick-fil-a
The Wedding cake baker who basically chose not to sell a cake with a gay topper.
Arizona’s law which basically protects the rights of business owners to not have to sell gay products.
Indiana’s law which basically protects the rights of business owners to not have to sell gay products.

The 2nd in that list got sued; the other 3 had/is having boycotts organized against them by the gay community.

Originally Posted by FanInAZ

Yes. If a gay wants something, give it to him/her or you'll be branded a homophobic bigot. If you express an option that differs from the official view of the gay community, especially gender orientation & gay marriage, you’ll be branded a homophobic bigot. Examples (as previously posted in this thread): Chick-fil-a The Wedding cake baker who basically chose not to sell a cake with a gay topper. Arizona’s law which basically protects the rights of business owners to not have to sell gay products. Indiana’s law which basically protects the rights of business owners to not have to sell gay products. The 2nd in that list got sued; the other 3 had/is having boycotts organized against them by the gay community.

What kind of gay products are they selling?

Originally Posted by SR

What kind of gay products are they selling?

They're not, that's my point. The Wedding cake baker basically got sued because wouldn't provide a gay cake topper. Arizona & Indiana want to protect it business owners from similar law suits. Arizona caved into the boycott, Indiana is now having the same boycott organized against them.

Originally Posted by SR

What kind of gay products are they selling?

Now I'm not sure if this belongs in P&R or the Lounge...

Originally Posted by FanInAZ

If a gay wants something, give it to him/her or you'll be branded a homophobic bigot. If you express an option that differs from the official view of the gay community, especially gender orientation & gay marriage, you’ll be branded a homophobic bigot.

For a man that from all appearances looks to be working tirelessly in the hopes of igniting a groundswell of empathy and support for an under-represented minority -- I can't help but find your statements to be surprisingly (if not hypocritically) hostile and un-empathetic.

Originally Posted by tomjonesrocks

For a man that from all appearances looks to be working tirelessly in the hopes of igniting a groundswell of empathy and support for an under-represented minority -- I can't help but find your statements to be surprisingly (if not hypocritically) hostile and un-empathetic.

I should have empathy for bullies? Trust me; I've been bullied throughout my upbringing, so I know a bully when I see one. The gay advocates have become as big of bullies when it comes to forcing their view down everyone's throat as Westboro Baptist. I've open condemned that "church" for how they handle the gay issue numerous occasions, so I'm not a hypocrite when I call out the gays for conducting themselves in the same manner. Yes, gays were bullied though out history, up until the 90s.

When I grew up in the 70s & 80s, gay bashing was the social norm. When I was at Phoenix Job Corps (a government funded vocational training program) in 88-89, a homosexual student got outed. Actually, I knew he was gay for a couple of months prior & kept his secret. Nevertheless, his out resulted in his immediate ostracization. When I saw him in the cafeteria the next morning, no one would sit at the same table. I, being the leader of the campus Bible study at the time, knew I’d send shockwaves through campus by sitting next to him. In an act of blatant act of defiance of social expectations, I made a statement to the entire school by sitting next to him.

Nevertheless, the tide started to turn in the 90s & gay bashing became scorned. As someone who was bullied, I fully support this change in the attitude. However, since the start of the 21 century, they have gone from being bullied to being bullies. They condemn their opponents with what formally trained debaters refer to as “straw man arguments.” This is where you invent a belief system that you declare to be that of your opponent that is designed to make them look bad. Although Westboro Baptist does actually embrace this hate filled belief system, declaring that anyone who disagrees with the gays is the same as WB is not only slanderous, but is hypocritical of them because their belief system is as grounded in as much hatred as WB.

Carol, what are your thoughts on the gays?

Much brave.

Originally Posted by Dapper Dan

Much brave.

Oh yes, just ask him; braver than anyone else apparently.

Originally Posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor

Oh yes, just ask him; braver than anyone else apparently.

Anything else you get out of his very benign comments in answers to direct questions?

Did he also take a shot at our brave men and women in the armed forces? If you keep reading I'm sure he supported ISIS somewhere in there.