Thread: Showbox App...thank me later

Originally Posted by DenBronx

So I ordered an HDMI cable that runs from my cell to the TV. Instead of streaming on shobox I download the movies. I can fit 3 or 4 on my cell but only download 2 at a time. Instead of getting a choppy and laggy movie it comes out nice and smooth. But get to watch it on any TV with this new cable. Cost me $14 shipped from amazon.

I'd be careful about downloading the movies from those apps, bro. Streaming is one thing, but downloading might, later on, come back to bite you in the ass. These streaming sites seem to be running on the "edge" as far as what is legal in the industry. By streaming, you aren't keeping, and thus, not making copies. But the moment you download it, that's a completely NEW story. I honestly, suggest you don't download and only stream.

Okay I have to make it clear as some don't understand... when you are streaming a movie you are IN FACT downloading it. Anything you will get while downloading, you will get while streaming... it is the same exact thing. The only difference is that while streaming, the downloaded file will automatically delete after you close the browser/app you are using to view it in.

Ravage, how do you think you are viewing the data if you aren't downloading the data to your computer?

Originally Posted by weazel

Okay I have to make it clear as some don't understand... when you are streaming a movie you are IN FACT downloading it. Anything you will get while downloading, you will get while streaming... it is the same exact thing. The only difference is that while streaming, the downloaded file will automatically delete after you close the browser/app you are using to view it in.

Ravage, how do you think you are viewing the data if you aren't downloading the data to your computer?

That's interesting, but I guess I never thought about it like that because when you stream you can (sometimes) get gitches, freezes and/or "hiccups" while viewing as opposed to when you "download" something. So yes, I guess I understood that you were "downloading" small bits of info at a time, but basically viewing at the same rate as it was/is being streamed in. Which is why sometimes (depending on your internet speed or time of day) you have to buffer the stream so that you can view without a/the video freezing.

But when streaming you aren't downloading the complete and entire video at one time, right? You are 'downloading' bits, as you are viewing which is then being 'replaced' or deleted as the new data is being streamed in over the top...replacing... it? Thus at the end of the streaming, you don't have any of the video left....or perhaps just a very small bit of it left, correct?

All I know is, that they HIGHLY recommend that you don't choose to download the movie, saving it, to view later. Stream it, so that nothing is "downloaded" to your computer or phone.

Originally Posted by weazel

Okay I have to make it clear as some don't understand... when you are streaming a movie you are IN FACT downloading it. Anything you will get while downloading, you will get while streaming... it is the same exact thing. The only difference is that while streaming, the downloaded file will automatically delete after you close the browser/app you are using to view it in.

Ravage, how do you think you are viewing the data if you aren't downloading the data to your computer?

You are downloading the data, but not directly to your computer. Do you have tons of youtube and Netflix videos saved on your hard drive? The data is being "downloaded" in the background and streamed directly to your media player (SilverLight, Quicktime, HTML5, etc). The file you stream is never applied to your hard drive as a copy you are just viewing the download through a stream.

That is the key difference right now and what the law is having a hard time keeping up with. When you download say a torrent or something you are accessing a copy of the media on your computer directly as a duplicate file. Streaming never actually gives you the duplicate file, you are just watching or listening to the stream of the file being downloaded via a player or other streaming service.

So yes they are both technically downloading, but for some reason it is much worse to keep a duplicate of the file than it is to simply stream and watch the download and never get a copy. From a legal standpoint you run much less of a risk from streaming than you do directly downloading a file.

There is a great Intellectual Property and Corporate Law article that explains it here. He uses the analogy of data being water and streaming being a shower and downloading being a bathtub. This is an excerpt:

At this point you might be saying, “So what Jordan? Download, stream – who cares? I still get to watch my movie.” Well, that might be true, but here’s the key difference from a legal perspective: in our simplistic model, when you stream, you don’t keep any data. And if you aren’t keeping any data, then you can’t redistribute that data. This therefore means that you only use the data for one simple purpose: consumption. From a content distributor’s perspective, this avoids some of the necessity of ensuring that you, the user, doesn’t redistribute the content or data in illegitimate ways. It simplifies the licensing requirements involved in providing content on a streaming basis. A license to stream, on the most simple terms, is simply a license to use the data as it passes through, with no right to sublicense, redistribute, store, amend, duplicate, change, or so on. You simply take it as it comes to you, much in the same way you take the water from the shower as it falls out of the spout.

http://www.nahmiaslaw.com/streaming-...ally-speaking/

In short it is all about the redistribution potential. They can go after the hosting sites for the streaming services, but you hardly every hear about them going after the people streaming the data.

actually you are downloading the entire movie to your hard drive... it is cached and then deleted once the movie is done. If you want you can actually save the movie from the cache if you would like. You don't have a ton of them on your drive because it deletes it after, but you can save it first if you like.

Them saying you're not keeping data just means it deletes the cache after a stream... it still downloads the entire file before deleting though. Thats why you can get plugins to save the cached data before it deletes it at the end.

Yes you are getting an entire duplicate of the file. Java and HTML5 streams are different than each other and can appear to hide the data on your drive, but you can get the full file from either if you know what you are doing.

Originally Posted by weazel

actually you are downloading the entire movie to your hard drive... it is cached and then deleted once the movie is done. If you want you can actually save the movie from the cache if you would like. You don't have a ton of them on your drive because it deletes it after, but you can save it first if you like.

Them saying you're not keeping data just means it deletes the cache after a stream... it still downloads the entire file before deleting though. Thats why you can get plugins to save the cached data before it deletes it at the end.

Yes you are getting an entire duplicate of the file. Java and HTML5 streams are different than each other and can appear to hide the data on your drive, but you can get the full file from either if you know what you are doing.

That is only the data cache though. You still need to take an extra step to download the cache file to your hard drive. That is when you run into legal issues. You can only play streamed media from the source location via a web streaming device. Once you download the file or the cache you referred to then you can access it offline and watch it without an internet connection. The internet cache for the streaming is not stored on your hard drive unless you seek out the file and make a copy to your hard drive. If you get plugins to save the cached data before it is deleted than you are downloading the file instead of just streaming it.

For example you can only stream a file while online (if you lose your connection you lose the stream after the buffer wears out), but you can play a downloaded file anytime because it is being accessed from your hard drive. I think the shower/bath tub analogy is perfect there. If the streaming was actually saved to your physical memory and not just the media server cache we would all be screwed. Most smart phones that stream music and radio only have 16-32 gigs of physical memory and rely on streaming countless gigs over the course of time. If that was actually saved to your physical memory you would never have room for photos and mp3s.

Originally Posted by Pudge

How well does it work? I might order one as well.

I tried using the showbox app on my phone and it has a bunch of shit about earning points, am I on the right app?

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You're downloading to a temp file in your cache which gets deleted to make room for other media soon after. How else can you go back and rewatch a scene if it didn't store the data temporarily? However, there are ways to save the file if one knows what they are doing.

Originally Posted by OrangeHoof

You're downloading to a temp file in your cache which gets deleted to make room for other media soon after. How else can you go back and rewatch a scene if it didn't store the data temporarily? However, there are ways to save the file if one knows what they are doing.

Yes I agree but the cache is a temp file, not a full file in your computers hard drive. All that data is being served to you remotely until you use a program to download it. Also you can rewatch a scene only if the cache still exists. If you turn off your internet while viewing a stream and skip ahead you lose ALL of the data because it is hosted elsewhere. Not until you download the cache do you actually become the host.

Damn I hate days without NFL football!

Originally Posted by MasterShake

Yes I agree but the cache is a temp file, not something in your computers hard drive. All that data is being served to you remotely until you use a program to download it. Damn I hate days without NFL football!

Does that mean the Fed's will never know about all that porn you stream..... Asking for a friend

Originally Posted by Valar Morghulis

Does that mean the Fed's will never know about all that porn you stream..... Asking for a friend

The only true way to hide porn history is to click "share on Facebook" on each video.

Originally Posted by MasterShake

That is only the data cache though. You still need to take an extra step to download the cache file to your hard drive. That is when you run into legal issues. You can only play streamed media from the source location via a web streaming device. Once you download the file or the cache you referred to then you can access it offline and watch it without an internet connection. The internet cache for the streaming is not stored on your hard drive unless you seek out the file and make a copy to your hard drive. If you get plugins to save the cached data before it is deleted than you are downloading the file instead of just streaming it.

For example you can only stream a file while online (if you lose your connection you lose the stream after the buffer wears out), but you can play a downloaded file anytime because it is being accessed from your hard drive. I think the shower/bath tub analogy is perfect there. If the streaming was actually saved to your physical memory and not just the media server cache we would all be screwed. Most smart phones that stream music and radio only have 16-32 gigs of physical memory and rely on streaming countless gigs over the course of time. If that was actually saved to your physical memory you would never have room for photos and mp3s.

The file cache IS on your hard drive.

Originally Posted by MasterShake

Yes I agree but the cache is a temp file, not a full file in your computers hard drive. All that data is being served to you remotely until you use a program to download it. Also you can rewatch a scene only if the cache still exists. If you turn off your internet while viewing a stream and skip ahead you lose ALL of the data because it is hosted elsewhere. Not until you download the cache do you actually become the host.

Damn I hate days without NFL football!

actually the cached file is the full file... the only time it is not is if you don't have enough room, then it removes data as it adds. But rest assured, if there is room for the entire file, it is there.

Two nerds duking it out over HD storage and streaming.

How could life get any better? !!

Originally Posted by weazel

actually the cached file is the full file... the only time it is not is if you don't have enough room, then it removes data as it adds. But rest assured, if there is room for the entire file, it is there.

I think we are actually agreeing with each other. My point is the cache file is still just a cache and the point of that is to make it easier to access online for streaming purposes. Until you convert that cache file into a full file (like an MP3, MP4, etc) you will not be able to play it independently of the streaming services you are using. The cache can be a full file but one that is used to access the video or podcast or whatever from another device while online. When you are streaming a video you are playing it on your device but the file is stored on another device or media server and the cache just allows it to play seamlessly.

When you do a hard download of the video you are not relying on the host device to access the missing non cached data because it is stored on your hard drive and that is where the legal issue lies. That is all I am saying. Of course you are always downloading the file but streaming doesn't save the file (in a usable format) to your hard drive. A cache is not a usable file unless you have the full cache and convert it. I can go to chrome://cache/ on my browser and see MP3, MP4, HTML, JPG, etc but until I use a program to download that internet cache data (creating a full file to my Hard Drive) it is useless. Once I do that however I can watch it whenever I want or make copies and sell them. That is why Neflix and other services are like renting movies whereas downloading a movie is like buying a movie. The difference I am pointing out is that streaming, while technically downloading data, is not the same. You can't access a temporary internet cache file offline without relying on the host to play the file unless you download it.

And Joe, go to hell.