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    Quote Originally Posted by BroncoWave View Post
    And on the other hand, had Alphonso Smith wound up being a star, not a single person would have had an issue with giving up a future first rounder to get him. It's just so easy to criticize draft trades and picks in hindsight. Clearly McD thought he was going to be a star with the hefty ransom he gave up to get him. It didn't work out, but those are the breaks sometimes.
    Actually, the Alphonso Smith deal was indefensible even at the time because you can never trade a 1st round pick for a 2nd round pick straight up. Package some picks to move up, maybe, but a 1st for a 2nd straight up? You'll lose that trade 90% of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buff View Post
    Actually, the Alphonso Smith deal was indefensible even at the time because you can never trade a 1st round pick for a 2nd round pick straight up. Package some picks to move up, maybe, but a 1st for a 2nd straight up? You'll lose that trade 90% of the time.
    The value of a future first round pick is less than that of a current one though. If there is a guy who you really think is just a future star who slipped to the early second round, I can see pulling the trigger on that move. It was the # 5 pick in the second round, so it was pretty much the same as a late first rounder. Let's say denver had wound up being a playoff team and picked like 25th. Then the trade would have been a future 25th pick for a current 37th pick. That's not bad value.

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    I would imagine this was McD's mindset before making that trade. He's probably thinking you know what, I am taking over a team that just barely missed the playoffs the last few years, we have some good pieces, and I think I will be able to push them into the playoffs this year. (any coach worth a crap would think this). So he's probably expecting to be picking in the 20s next year. He sees a chance to move up to 37 (which is just barely outside of the first round) and just has to give up what he thinks will be a late first rounder next year.

    I'm not saying it's the best logic ever, but I just don't think it's the abortion people make it out to be. With the information an thought process he probably had at the time, I can see the logic in the move.

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    Ever look at Earl Thomas close? He looks like he has fetal alcohol syndrome.
    Let's Rid3!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buff View Post
    Salt in the wound. Could have been the beginning of a rebuilt defense, but McD decided to overhaul the offense that was already good. Safety was a HUGE monster gigantic need at the time too.
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    Sad that a Broncos scout has left Earl Thomas with a poor impression of our franchise. But this is a business, and Earl Thomas needs to realize as a future NFL player, you are an investment, and it's strictly business. But with that being said, I'd have a bad impression on the Broncos after that if I was Earl.

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    Devils advocate is pointless in McDaniels case, you didn't need hindsight to see his mistakes, dude was just a phenomenal failure. His coaching wasn't any better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buff View Post
    Actually, the Alphonso Smith deal was indefensible even at the time because you can never trade a 1st round pick for a 2nd round pick straight up. Package some picks to move up, maybe, but a 1st for a 2nd straight up? You'll lose that trade 90% of the time.
    dude. . . forget the value aspect of it. . . that heinous bullshit was primarily indefensible because the moron gave up a first rounder for a short, slow corner. . . the guy had a nickelback skill set. . . total fiasco from the get-go. . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buff View Post
    Salt in the wound. Could have been the beginning of a rebuilt defense, but McD decided to overhaul the offense that was already good. Safety was a HUGE monster gigantic need at the time too.
    Come now Buff McD had that all figured out. He drafted McBath!

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    So funny, I remember debating the smith pick with zam at the freak. There are certain numbers that really matter for corners. His shuttle and cone numbers were not just bad. They were horrid. He had great ball skills but none of the fast twitch he needed to make it work at the next level. And yes the earl Thomas pick is a valid convo because everyone had him as the top selection at a position we were desperate for. Don't even get me started on passing on orakpo, and Matthews

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    Does anyone actually think that if Earl the Pearl had been drafted by Jacksonville or Oakland that he would have blossomed into the player he is today?
    Coaching and scheme is at least 75% of how great a defensive player can be.
    Talent and luck will only get you so far in a $hitty scheme.
    I don't think he would have gotten that in Denver.
    He needs to just shut the **** up and be glad he was drafted where he was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northman View Post
    Not too mention taking Dick Quinn in the 3rd to which i believe he moved up to get there too.
    Actually, Quinn came at the end of Round 2, which makes the pick all the more worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jsteve01 View Post
    So funny, I remember debating the smith pick with zam at the freak. There are certain numbers that really matter for corners. His shuttle and cone numbers were not just bad. They were horrid. He had great ball skills but none of the fast twitch he needed to make it work at the next level. And yes the earl Thomas pick is a valid convo because everyone had him as the top selection at a position we were desperate for. Don't even get me started on passing on orakpo, and Matthews
    Thomas was drafted a year after that trade was made. No one had any way of knowing that a top safety would be available with their first pick the next year. The fact that Earl Thomas was taken with the pick we traded is completely irrelevant as far I'm concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BroncoWave View Post
    The value of a future first round pick is less than that of a current one though. If there is a guy who you really think is just a future star who slipped to the early second round, I can see pulling the trigger on that move. It was the # 5 pick in the second round, so it was pretty much the same as a late first rounder. Let's say denver had wound up being a playoff team and picked like 25th. Then the trade would have been a future 25th pick for a current 37th pick. That's not bad value.
    Before his second draft he made the statement to that he didn't have enough time to prepare for his first draft. So what you're saying isn't in line with what McDaniels said.

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    I believe the GM he (McDork) was trading with at the time has since stated that they were willing to throw in a 6th or 7th in and McDaniels was like "No, don't worry aboutit"... and didn't take the additional picks. I don't know in which move that was, because he moved up a lot to pick bad players, but the GM McDick was dealing with was just shaking his head like he was confused and dumbstruck with such an idiotic response.
    (the previous comment was not directed at any particular individual and was not intended to slander,disrespect or offend any reader of said statement)

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