Thread: Raiders interview Mike Shanahan for HC job

Originally Posted by silkamilkamonico

Shanahan is going to be in the HofF. He has a great legacy. Nobody's going to ever take that away from him. But in the conversation of being hired, and jobs, and who's done what in what have you done for me lately league, Shanahan just isn't relevant. Teams aren't even jumping at the chance of hiring him. He failed in his last gig at Washington, and there are other coaches with better current resumes right now that's looking for the jobs.

If you took 50 coaches who either coach in the NFL current, or have in the last few years, Shanahan is probabably down around the bottom lower half. He isn't a top coach in todays game, or even average. Dude failed hard in Washington.

You may be letting your bias cloud this and severely overstating Shanny's demise. He's had interviews with half of the teams with openings, so to call him irrelevant is just inaccurate. He had some early success with RGIII, but was dealing with a diva QB, and a diva owner, and an ineffective GM who just got replaced. Granted he has some blame there too - but I don't think think the game totally passed him by as some have implied.

Originally Posted by silkamilkamonico

Where do you Shanahan supprters think Shanahan is as a coach in the NFL right now? Where does he rank?

I think he is still a Top 10 offensive play caller. He is a Top 15 (above average) NFL head coach. I mean, look at some of the guys who are getting head coaching jobs nowadays. Dennis Allen? You want Jay Gruden over Shanny? How about Tony Sparano? There are plenty of talented up and comers too, so it's not like I'm saying I'd go out and hire Shanny for sure, but he's a legit and viable candidate for some of these franchises that need some veteran leadership.

Shanahan tied himself to the wrong quarterback in Denver and Dan Snyder has made two Hall of Fame coaches look bad.

He can still coach.

It seems like Shanny built his career on taking risks. He brought in Jake, he drafted a QB in the first round despite an AFC Championship game appearance, and he went with that QB when the team had a winning record and was on its way to the playoffs. Most coaches I suspect would have ridden it out with Plummer, but Shanny knew that Plummer probably wasn't the answer, saw an extremely talented QB, and put his faith in him. Didn't work, but sometimes you make decisions that don't work. Happens to all coaches.

The Redskins are the Browns of the NFC. Joe Gibbs v2.0 couldn't even save that place. Shanny can still coach. He has his weaknesses but overall he is a pretty aggressive coach who knows how to get an offense going. I hope he recognizes that going to the Bears would be walking into the Cutler-era Broncos all over again, and that would be his demise. His last two QBs have been major disappointments, and I think it probably speaks more about the QBs than the coaches. He should go to a team that has a solid defense and a few offensive weapons so he can either work with the current QB or get his own guy. If he wants to work with a current QB he's going to pick SF. If he wants his own guy he should go to the Bills. If he wants to relive his time with the Redskins x10, he should go to the Raiders.

Originally Posted by Ravage!!!

Why is that? How many Super Bowls did walsh win without Montana? Ohhh... we don't know. How many has Belicheck won after losing Brady? Ohhhh.. don't know.

yea. . . pretty sure bill effin' walsch could and would have won it with young if seifert did. . . lol. . .

Originally Posted by Bronco9798

Dude, seriously, **** you. I'm not going anywhere. Why don't you go back to your teams forum.

waaaa, he talked bad about shanny!

Rotoworld had mention of a Mike Shanatan as GM and Kyle Shanahan as HC combo somewhere, this has to be the most idiotic idea of all time. Maybe they put a bow on that by hiring Bob Slowik as DC.

Originally Posted by dogfish

yea. . . pretty sure bill effin' walsch could and would have won it with young if seifert did. . . lol. . .

I'm wouldn't disagree at all with this statement. But we don't know. There have been just a few coaches that stuck around after their HoF QB retired and were/are judged on a decade of coaching "post" QB. Shanahan is one of the four. Making "guesses" is just that, though.

Originally Posted by Jaded

Rotoworld had mention of a Mike Shanatan as GM and Kyle Shanahan as HC combo somewhere, this has to be the most idiotic idea of all time. Maybe they put a bow on that by hiring Bob Slowik as DC.

I don't see why it's such an absurd idea to so many of you. Shanny had the 31st ranked defense his last year in Washington. Kyle Shanahan's offenses were Top 5 in Houston and Top 10 in Washington. I think all of the media circus around Washington conflated this idea that everything was broken and ineffective and that's just not the case.

Originally Posted by Buff

I don't see why it's such an absurd idea to so many of you. Shanny had the 31st ranked defense his last year in Washington. Kyle Shanahan's offenses were Top 5 in Houston and Top 10 in Washington. I think all of the media circus around Washington conflated this idea that everything was broken and ineffective and that's just not the case.

Mike as the GM is not an absurd idea to you? I'm guessing you misread that.

Originally Posted by silkamilkamonico

Shanahan is going to be in the HofF. He has a great legacy. Nobody's going to ever take that away from him. But in the conversation of being hired, and jobs, and who's done what in what have you done for me lately league, Shanahan just isn't relevant. Teams aren't even jumping at the chance of hiring him. He failed in his last gig at Washington, and there are other coaches with better current resumes right now that's looking for the jobs.

If you took 50 coaches who either coach in the NFL current, or have in the last few years, Shanahan is probabably down around the bottom lower half. He isn't a top coach in todays game, or even average. Dude failed hard in Washington.

I think Buff answered this perfectly.

Originally Posted by silkamilkamonico

Where do you Shanahan supprters think Shanahan is as a coach in the NFL right now? Where does he rank?

Like said above, there are a LOT of coaches that have jobs right now, that I would easily take Shanahan over. No question about it.

Originally Posted by silkamilkamonico

Doesn't even matter. Your only argument for Shanahan is what he did like 17 years ago, and how he no longer had an NFL HofF QB, even though guys are winning the SuperBowl now without that.

Actually.. it wasn't. That's the irritating part about this discussion as I have REMAINED talking about Shanahan post Elway, yet you and King seem to want to say I'm only talking about the Elway years. I'm not, YOU are. I've pointed out that Shanahan is one of 4 coaches that have a decade of coaching after the loss of a HoF QB, and HIS record in those ten years is better than everyone OTHER than Shula, who got Marino after Griese. That is NOT talking about his Super Bowl seasons. That's attempting to put things into perspective. He also has the Broncos having better recordsd POST ELWAY (please read that) than the other Franchises that lost HoF QBs (not including those that went from 1 HoF to the next...SF). Dallas, PItt, Buffalo, Miami..etc.

Originally Posted by silkamilkamonico

When Pete Carroll wins his 2nd SuperBowl this year - he will officially have a greater legacy than Mike Shanahan. ANd he doesn't even have a Hof F QB.

Officially? Where is the official stat on that?

Originally Posted by NightTrainLayne

Mike as the GM is not an absurd idea to you? I'm guessing you misread that.

Whoops! I totally misread his post. I thought he was talking about a Shanny HC and OC combo. Sorry, Jaded. That is an idiotic idea!