Thread: Raiders interview Mike Shanahan for HC job

Originally Posted by Bronco9798

Dude, seriously, **** you. I'm not going anywhere. Why don't you go back to your teams forum.

I'm so sorry that I didn't sing the praises of your favorite coach. I will try to make it up to you: Shanahan is the best coach ever and any team should love to have him! He's the man! He'll be a good coach now because he revolutionized the game in the late 90's!

Harbaugh inherited a 6-10 team and a franchise that didn't make the playuoffs since 2002. Some "great situation". Harbaugh turned San Fransisco into the force they became.

Originally Posted by silkamilkamonico

Harbaugh inherited a 6-10 team and a franchise that didn't make the playuoffs since 2002. Some "great situation". Harbaugh turned San Fransisco into the force they became.

So is Marv Levy a better coach too in your opinion?

Originally Posted by Buff

So is Marv Levy a better coach too in your opinion?

Who?

Originally Posted by King87

Ravage, it's pretty clear why I draw the line at 2005 on out, because it's been the most recent years of his coaching. Why does it make more sense to go all the way back to Elway's time? Is he going to erase our minds of how the ZBS scheme works and then spring it on us again? Is he going to time machine John Elway and crew back into existence? No, I'm not saying that he was totally dependent upon Elway, he ******* helped John Elway a lot. But by that same token you can't just ignore what his career has been for quite some time. I get it, you love him. Congrats on the two SB's - but Shanahan can't break those two SB rings out in the middle of a game and change anything now can he?

He was a trainwreck during the last portion of his tenure in Denver. He didn't do well in Washington. I'm paying attention to the things that are more relevant to the conversation while you're reliving the glory years of watching Terrell Davis and John Elway pillage defenses down the football field.

Why would you start narrowing it down AFTER his success?? Seems that's getting more narrow and more narrow. Lets eliminate the fact that he took the Broncos back to the AFC Championship post Elway, because we can't count his success.

He wasn't a "train wreck" in Denver He had two (2) losing seasons POST Elway... 2. One in the first year after Elway retired when both Sharp and Davis went down with injury. He was 57-39 the last six (6) years while in Denver, and THAT is a train wreck?? Please, that's absurd.

So he goes to 4 years of playoffs and an AFC Championship in Denver.. (post Elway of course)... and then another playoff with a rookie QB while taking on a HORRENDOUS Washington team, and its the same thing.... "he can't coach." Then you want to pull out the BS SHIT that I'm looking back at Davis and Elway??/ Seriously?

I think you keep telling me how good Dungy is.... a guy with a losing record in the playoffs while having one of the greatest to ever play.Yet, two different coaches took that same QB to the Super Bowl. Two coaches took the very team he just left, to the Super Bowl. Seems the one thing that was slowing those teams down, was Dungy.

I'm giving you history of all teams throughout the NFL on h ow their HOF coaches did after their HoF QBs left (as well as complete franchises if you want to look at San Fran, Buffalo, Dallas, and Pittsburgh). You think Shanahan didn't have success after the retirement of a HoF QB, then look around the NFL. Belicheck wasn't a "great" HC bfore Brady.

How many years did it take Cowher to win a Super Bowl in Pittsburgh? What did he have to get to win that Super Bowl? How many years was it after Bradshaw did they win?

How many years did it take San Fran to finally get back to the Super Bowl after Young?

How many years has it taken the Cowboys to get back to the Super Bowl after Aikman?

How many years after Kelly has it taken Buffalo?

How many years since Marino and the Dolphins?

All the winning coaches that had HoF QBs and multiple SUper Bowls. How many coached 10+ years after winning SUper Bowls so that they could be judged on their "post QB" era? Landry, Noll, Shula. Guess who's record is better than 66% of those coaches in the decade following their HoF QB leaving (and Shula had Marino after Griese).

Originally Posted by silkamilkamonico

Harbaugh inherited a 6-10 team and a franchise that didn't make the playuoffs since 2002. Some "great situation". Harbaugh turned San Fransisco into the force they became.

They had a TON of talent on that team. a TON of talent on that team. They aren't a force now, what did he do? What happened? He had a good 3 years and then.....flppped? Not much to judge on. Seems really good coaches have more than just 3 years.

Originally Posted by silkamilkamonico

Harbaugh inherited a 6-10 team and a franchise that didn't make the playuoffs since 2002. Some "great situation". Harbaugh turned San Fransisco into the force they became.

Shanahan took a 7-9 team to win 2 Super Bowls. A team that couldn't win it in the history of their franchise before that.

Originally Posted by silkamilkamonico

Harbaugh inherited a 6-10 team and a franchise that didn't make the playuoffs since 2002. Some "great situation". Harbaugh turned San Fransisco into the force they became.

I'm curious can we say that about Fox? Because he took a 4-12 team that hadn't been to the playoffs in four seasons and won four straight division titles.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

I'm curious can we say that about Fox? Because he took a 4-12 team that hadn't been to the playoffs in four seasons and won four straight division titles.

And a conference title

Originally Posted by Ravage!!!

They had a TON of talent on that team. a TON of talent on that team. They aren't a force now, what did he do? What happened? He had a good 3 years and then.....flppped? Not much to judge on. Seems really good coaches have more than just 3 years.

44-19-1. They had A TON of talent on Denver's team after Elway retired. What happened? He flopped. Looks like HArbaugh was better than Shanahan when they both had shitty QB's, and a team that was loaded with talent.

Ravage, I was here for the collapses at the end of the seasons. I was here for Slowik. I was here for benching Plummer. There were some pretty ******* awful moments during his tenure towards the end.

And yeah, I said Tony Dungy was a great coach and HoF worthy. So is Shanahan. So what?

Oh by the way, I remember when you were literally posting with great joy when RG3 was paired with Shanahan. Now you have to bash RG3 out of convenience for your position. Awkward, I know.

But you're right, he did some great things when he had a great QB. Maybe Atlanta should be looking at him. Then again, I never bashed him for not having a great QB, I was just looking after his body of work. That argument might be better directed at someone else.

Originally Posted by Ravage!!!

Shanahan took a 7-9 team to win 2 Super Bowls. A team that couldn't win it in the history of their franchise before that.

17 years ago. We talking 2014. Not 1997. The last time Shanahan was relevant in the NFL, gas was $1.15 a gallon and Clinton was denying Monia Lewinsky.

Originally Posted by King87

Ravage, I was here for the collapses at the end of the seasons. I was here for Slowik. I was here for benching Plummer. There were some pretty ******* awful moments during his tenure towards the end.

And yeah, I said Tony Dungy was a great coach and HoF worthy. So is Shanahan. So what?

Oh by the way, I remember when you were literally posting with great joy when RG3 was paired with Shanahan. Now you have to bash RG3 out of convenience for your position. Awkward, I know.

But you're right, he did some great things when he had a great QB. Maybe Atlanta should be looking at him. Then again, I never bashed him for not having a great QB, I was just looking after his body of work. That argument might be better directed at someone else.

Aahhh.. .you mean the "Fan breakdown" those lst couple of seasons? That doesn't really mean much to me. I remember Pittsburgh banging for Cowher's head before he drafted Roethlesberger and winning that Super Bowl. Fan reactions to DCs and records mean very little, in my book. Look at how some of the couch QBs try to tell us how 'they' could call better games.

Also, I was NOT posting great joy for RGIII, as I've always stated that I thought RGIII would be a failure in the NFL. You have me confused. The only thing awkward here is you saying Dungy is a HoF coach after proving to be a speed bump for teams.

I've talked exclusively about his time AFTER Elway, yet YOU keep bringing those years up.... I'm guessing because you don't have any points to counter what I've directed to you. Weird.

Btw... Matt Ryan is NOT a great QB

I would also give just as much argument for Schottenheimer and his coaching skills.

Originally Posted by silkamilkamonico

44-19-1. They had A TON of talent on Denver's team after Elway retired. What happened? He flopped. Looks like HArbaugh was better than Shanahan when they both had shitty QB's, and a team that was loaded with talent.

Uhmmm... he stuck around 3 years. That argument you just posted, is absolutely ABSURD.... at best.

Originally Posted by Ravage!!!

k. But to be honest, silk... I don't take your opinions seriously on this subject.

I wouldn't either.