Thread: Stan Kroenke proposes 80,000-seat stadium in Inglewood, Calif.

Stan Kroenke's The Kroenke Group and Stockbridge Capital Group announced Monday that they hope to build an 80,000-seat stadium in Inglewood, Calif., as part of a sports and entertainment complex.

The announcement by Hollywood Park Land Co. - a joint venture between Stockbridge Capital Group and The Kroenke Group - fueled speculation that Kroenke wants to move the St. Louis Rams back to Los Angeles.

In addition to owning the NFL's Rams, Kroenke owns the Denver Nuggets, Colorado Avalanche, Colorado Rapids, Colorado Mammoth and is the primary shareholder of Arsenal of the English Premier League.

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So if the Rams move to back to LA, who moves to STL?

STL Seahawks: Makes as much sense for a team name as the AZ Cardinals. My mom & step dad live in Washington when they built their current stadium. After the voters voted down the tax hike to build it, either the mayor or governor declared a state of emergency & had imposed the taxes anyways. So threats of possibly moving the Seahawks are probably a bluff to get politicians to intervene.

STL Chargers: As large as San Diego is, who can’t they be a 4 sports teams city? They only have 2 team, & its my understanding that they’re not supporting either of them no matter how good of season they might have from time to time.

STL Raiders: If this happens, Shane will have to be redesignated as a mortal enemy of our site. Nothing personal, but if you stick with whoever your hometown team is, there will be consequences for that team being the Raiders. In all seriousness, moving the Raiders back to LA makes more sense to me then moving anyone else. Nevertheless, if the Rams do move back there 1st, moving the Raiders there as well to give LA 2 teams again make more sense to me then the bay area having 2.

STL Jaguars: If this happens, we may have to keep Shane on suicide watch.

STL (Expansion team): I don't see this happening anytime soon. If the league does expand, I'd rather them put the team in LA & leave everyone else alone.

As usual, F the fans.

The NFL can expand to LA, that's fine. But I'd be really disappointed if Kroenke pulls out of St. Louis. They haven't exactly been a stellar steam the past 10 years, but they've also made some pretty bad ownership decisions, draft and trade decisions during that time. They now have a good coach and he's got them going in the right direction. Their fans know this and they had a good year in attendance. I expect the Rams to be a playoff contender next year. I think it would be shitty to piss on the fan base at this point.

Only the Raiders had worse attendance figures.

I've been to their games a few times. They have a very weak fanbase.

I still think of them as the Los Angeles Rams.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

Only the Raiders had worse attendance figures.

People forget how horrible the attendance was for the Rams before they shipped out of LA. That city dwarfs St. Louis in about every demographic. St. Louis drew nearly 60,000 a game this year. They've been a shitty team for too long. I guarantee that if that franchise is left in St. Louis and Jeff Fischer is given enough time, they'll be a playoff contender again. Their attendance will max out. But you sure as hell aren't going to draw shit in LA with a mediocre football franchise. So that can't be a reason for relocating there.

Originally Posted by pulse

People forget how horrible the attendance was for the Rams before they shipped out of LA. That city dwarfs St. Louis in about every demographic. St. Louis drew nearly 60,000 a game this year. They've been a shitty team for too long. I guarantee that if that franchise is left in St. Louis and Jeff Fischer is given enough time, they'll be a playoff contender again. Their attendance will max out. But you sure as hell aren't going to draw shit in LA with a mediocre football franchise. So that can't be a reason for relocating there.

Fair point. Attendance isn't why the NFL wants into L.A. TV revenue is. Demographics are.

The Rams still had terrible attendance, which provides the owner a justifiable reason to leave, no matter how focal it is to actual revenue.

Media market, that's the only reason. Our ticket dollars are shit next to tv contracts.

Shane, I told you this was coming and told you about this property Kroenke purchased. This is happening. St Louis cannot compete with LA's $$$$.

You guys are also looking at attendance figures with two teams in LA. LA can support a single club, and will, especially with a brand new stadium. Even if they don't Kroenke will get richer.

Originally Posted by FanInAZ

So if the Rams move to back to LA, who moves to STL?

STL Seahawks: Makes as much sense for a team name as the AZ Cardinals. My mom & step dad live in Washington when they built their current stadium. After the voters voted down the tax hike to build it, either the mayor or governor declared a state of emergency & had imposed the taxes anyways. So threats of possibly moving the Seahawks are probably a bluff to get politicians to intervene.

STL Chargers: As large as San Diego is, who can’t they be a 4 sports teams city? They only have 2 team, & its my understanding that they’re not supporting either of them no matter how good of season they might have from time to time.

STL Raiders: If this happens, Shane will have to be redesignated as a mortal enemy of our site. Nothing personal, but if you stick with whoever your hometown team is, there will be consequences for that team being the Raiders. In all seriousness, moving the Raiders back to LA makes more sense to me then moving anyone else. Nevertheless, if the Rams do move back there 1st, moving the Raiders there as well to give LA 2 teams again make more sense to me then the bay area having 2.

STL Jaguars: If this happens, we may have to keep Shane on suicide watch.

STL (Expansion team): I don't see this happening anytime soon. If the league does expand, I'd rather them put the team in LA & leave everyone else alone.

How 'bout F) NO ONE. Seriously, the federal law that gave the NFL anti-trust exemptions doesn't mandate at team for any and all cities that have one or ever did; if it did, Jim Thorpes Canton Bulldogs would be at the top of the expansion list. The last thing NFL owners want is another perennially embarrassing moneypit that can't sell home tickets like the Jags: They're in business to MAKE money, not SPEND it, and that's all new expansion teams in the remaining small markets do; they don't increase revenue, but DO create yet another share in the same size pot already split 32 ways.

That's why the NFL wants into Europe and back into L.A. so badly: Because those are media markets and economies that can actually make a team profitable. San Antonio or MAYBE Vegas are about the only others left in the US though; St. Louis definitely doesn't make the cut. With that in mind, I didn't realize Kroenke was the main stakeholder in Arsenal the same way the Glazers own Man U along with Tampa; that also helps explain why NFL owners are pushing for European expansion: They need look no further than their own balance sheets to see the profits that could reap.

So the good news for purists and/or xenophobes is Kroenke's building a new stadium in L.A. rather than London, and the Rams belong there (or Chicago) anyway. Hell, even the CARDINALS belong on Chicago, so it's not like the few remaining St. Louis fans have much to complain about: Relocation's the only reason they got BOTH teams, so if it leaves them with none, that's no less than where it began.

Originally Posted by Davii

Media market, that's the only reason. Our ticket dollars are shit next to tv contracts.

Shane, I told you this was coming and told you about this property Kroenke purchased. This is happening. St Louis cannot compete with LA's $$$$.

You guys are also looking at attendance figures with two teams in LA. LA can support a single club, and will, especially with a brand new stadium. Even if they don't Kroenke will get richer.

Yup. The only difference between tickets and TV (a small but significant one) is that gate receipts AREN'T part of revenue sharing: They're still split between the home and visiting teams just as it's always been. However, that's also the reason NFL owners don't like small markets and have come to loathe expansion; it doesn't boost ratings or merchandise revenue (which all of them want) and the one thing it DOES boost primarily goes to NONE of them: It goes to whatever "new money" buys into their scam. In terms of revenue-sharing, the 19th largest metro area can't compete with the 2nd.

Good thing Denver's already got a team, there's no others closer than KC or Arizona, and Bowlen shows no sign of wanting to move.

Leaders in St Louis are meeting with the Governor Friday with plans to keep the NFL in St Louis. New Stadium proposals are being discussed. Suppose to be the best plan yet to come forward to the Governor. I hope they keep the Rams or lure another team with a lucrative offer. Wit KC 2 hours away, and St Louis 3, it gives me options to go see the Broncos when they are close.

yea just rape a poor city even more. Good job kroenke.

Im done with the NFL if this is allowed to happen. Forget extorting more money out of taxpayers to get them to build you a stadium. Forget the 5 winning seasons in 20 years. Forget the numerous draft busts.

This will be the 3rd time St. Louis has lost a NFL team. And frankly, what they have done to use that city. Is appalling.

Burn it down for all i ******* care. Im done. National Fraud league. Looking forward to St. Louis suing the NFL if this is allowed to happen.

99% attendance rate under Georgia, all changed when this dbag took ownership.

**** the avalanche, **** the nuggets. **** em all.

Why are you mad at the Denver pro teams again? In all seriousness, I don't wish losing a team on any fan base.

Originally Posted by ShaneFalco

yea just rape a poor city even more. Good job kroenke.

Im done with the NFL if this is allowed to happen. Forget extorting more money out of taxpayers to get them to build you a stadium. Forget the 5 winning seasons in 20 years. Forget the numerous draft busts.

This will be the 3rd time St. Louis has lost a NFL team. And frankly, what they have done to use that city. Is appalling.

Burn it down for all i ******* care. Im done. National Fraud league. Looking forward to St. Louis suing the NFL if this is allowed to happen.

99% attendance rate under Georgia, all changed when this dbag took ownership.

**** the avalanche, **** the nuggets. **** em all.

You can thank all of the idiots rioting in Ferguson for speeding up the inevitable.