Thread: Ray Rice video released

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

I have a pretty well-defined point. There is a massive amount of inconsistency in all of this. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Or, maybe you don't know how to present your case very well, or you don't understand how they are attempting to rectify a bad situation.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

Yes, he does, because new evidence surfaced after the new policy was written. What are you not getting about this? If video comes out of hardy clocking his wife, he'll be gone too.

So, the lesson here is: just don't do it where there are cameras.

So you think a case with conflicting stories or where you don't really know all the details should be treated exactly the same as a case where you have definitive video proof of what happened?

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

So you think a case with conflicting stories or where you don't really know all the details should be treated exactly the same as a case where you have definitive video proof of what happened?

Hardy has been convicted. What more do we need to know?

Besides. Nothing changed about what we knew yesterday, anyway.

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

So you think a case with conflicting stories or where you don't really know all the details should be treated exactly the same as a case where you have definitive video proof of what happened?

I think the NFL needs conclusive evidence before taking severe action. Any woman could make a claim against an NFL player (or any man for that matter) and completely destroy his career/name/reputation. There has to be a gray area. Not everything is as Black and White as MO wants it to be.

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

There is no way a team signs him next season imo. Could not disagree with you more on that one.

People forget, he was terrible last year. It's not like there is any guarantee he is still a good player.

Really, then why is Parrish Cox in the league? Why is Brandon Marshall in the league? Brandon has been cited more than once for domestic violence.

Jerry Jones would sign him, hell yes, it would bring more cameras and people to the circus

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

So you think a case with conflicting stories or where you don't really know all the details should be treated exactly the same as a case where you have definitive video proof of what happened?

Besides. Nothing changed about what we knew yesterday, anyway.

I'm sorry MO, but you are full of shit with this point. No one knew 100% that what happened in the elevator was THAT bad. There were multiple conflicting stories as to the full extent of what happened in there

Originally Posted by Northman

If Brandon has another episode of abuse than yea. At this stage the rules were not in effect when Brandon was doing his thing. I think right now McDonald will be the first to test the waters of how Goodell's new policy will be applied. I think the reason why Ray's was so severe is because he lied about how it went down. The video was the damning evidence otherwise he would still be only serving the 2 game suspension. But i think McDonald will be the first to lose either 6-8 games.



I guess that is just where we have to disagree. One time is too many in my book. I dont slapping around a woman or knocking them unconscious is a slight mishap or mistake. It should never happen in my opinion but if the league is going to go with a few games suspension and then banishment for the 2nd offense than that is how its going to be i guess. There are just certain crimes that i will not budge on because of my personal belief. Ray may never hit a woman again and that will be great for him but he should not be able to play football again as i think his punishment fits the crime.

People should have the opportunity to change North. I am not advocating domestic violence in any way. A man should never put his hands on a woman period.

When I was a teenager I hit a woman. I was pretty shook up after it happened, and my father told me at the time that, "once an abuser always an abuser". Well, I never hit another woman again. I have turned into a loving husband who never asserts himself physically with his wife. I don't grab, restrain, nothing like that. I love and honor my wife.

If you were to ask my wife if she felt I was a risk for physical abuse she would laugh at you. I have never so much as even grabbed my wife. Someone who is a one time offender is not the same as someone who is a habitual offender, to say otherwise is a bit self-righteous.

Originally Posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor

People should have the opportunity to change North. I am not advocating domestic violence in any way. A man should never put his hands on a woman period.

When I was a teenager I hit a woman. I was pretty shook up after it happened, and my father told me at the time that, "once an abuser always an abuser". Well, I never hit another woman again. I have turned into a loving husband who never asserts himself physically with his wife. I don't grab, restrain, nothing like that. I love and honor my wife.

MO would have you castrated, than hanged, drawn and quartered.

Originally Posted by BroncoJoe

How are they blowing smoke?

And, who cares if they're making a boat-load of money? They don't have to disclose anything, except the Packers, because they're private businesses.

They are blowing smoke in the way they release information about player misconduct. The NFL and the Ravens valued their ongoing income over doing what was right.

I'm glad someone is making boat-loads of money, good for them! I introduce it as a motive for protecting their image. It's their reason for being. It's the Commish's job.

It's just like BP and that oil spill. Deny reality and spin for max profit. Settle out of court for undisclosed figures. Launch the shiny PR campaign.

The trust of the innocent is the liar's most useful tool.

Originally Posted by BroncoJoe

MO would have you castrated, than hanged, drawn and quartered.

Do you mean Wave? I think Mo has been on the same side of the argument as I have in this thread.

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

I'm sorry MO, but you are full of shit with this point. No one knew 100% that what happened in the elevator was THAT bad. There were multiple conflicting stories as to the full extent of what happened in there

If you didn't previously think she was nocked unconscious then how were you assuming she got there?

Originally Posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor

People should have the opportunity to change North. I am not advocating domestic violence in any way. A man should never put his hands on a woman period.

When I was a teenager I hit a woman. I was pretty shook up after it happened, and my father told me at the time that, "once an abuser always an abuser". Well, I never hit another woman again. I have turned into a loving husband who never asserts himself physically with his wife. I don't grab, restrain, nothing like that. I love and honor my wife.

If you were to ask my wife if she felt I was a risk for physical abuse she would laugh at you. I have never so much as even grabbed my wife. Someone who is a repeat offender is not the same as someone who is a habitual offender, to say otherwise is a bit self-righteous.

Well, and Ray will have an opportunity to change. No one is preventing him from doing that. But you dont need to play football to change as a human being and i think that is what people are confusing here with what happened. Im happy that you have changed since that incident even though im disappointed that you even did it in the first place. But nothing is going to prevent Ray from working on his issues but im also not inclined to reward him for things he has done either. NFL players make a lot of money and while he may come back down the road and play again i would rather he not be allowed back in the league. There are plenty of other jobs that he can do while getting the help he needs to be a better man. Again though, that is just my own personal outlook on it.

Originally Posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

I'm sorry MO, but you are full of shit with this point. No one knew 100% that what happened in the elevator was THAT bad. There were multiple conflicting stories as to the full extent of what happened in there

If you didn't previously think she was nocked unconscious then how were you assuming she got there?

There was a story that she fell and hit her head. It could have also been possible that she was attacking him and he swung in self defense. Her being unconscious doesn't prove that he threw an unprovoked left hook.

Originally Posted by Northman

Well, and Ray will have an opportunity to change. No one is preventing him from doing that. But you dont need to play football to change as a human being and i think that is what people are confusing here with what happened. Im happy that you have changed since that incident even though im disappointed that you even did it in the first place. But nothing is going to prevent Ray from working on his issues but im also not inclined to reward him for things he has done either. NFL players make a lot of money and while he may come back down the road and play again i would rather he not be allowed back in the league. There are plenty of other jobs that he can do while getting the help he needs to be a better man. Again though, that is just my own personal outlook on it.

I don't need your guilt trip North. It was 25 years ago and I am not the same person.