Thread: Ray Rice video released

Originally Posted by aberdien

Good job Ravens for your victim blaming.

https://twitter.com/Ravens/status/469918292061061120

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Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

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Ravens deleted the post today.

Tried to sweep that PR turd under the rug and poo-poori it away.





This one's a floater.

Originally Posted by Bronco4ever

Do we know for sure Rice and his wife lied to the NFL about the details of the incident? If so, why would he have apologized in two different press conference? Wouldn't the apologies contradict his story? I'm with MO in that I don't understand what's different since the video was released other than reactive punishment from the NFL and the Baltimore Ravens.

From what ive heard here it was pretty certain that Ray told a different story than what the video showed.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

The outrage over this is becoming ludicrous.



Does he deserve a ban? Does he deserve a long ban? Hell yes.

But this has been happening to players in the league since the league's inception. We're 47 years into the league and NOW we're showing outrage and blackballing one guy for this? Kind of sad, really. Reminiscent of the steroid issue in baseball. League, teams, managers, players, writers, broadcasters turned a blind eye for years, then reports surfaced via books and boom, players blackballed.

In this case, video comes out of an incident, and finally something happens in this league. If this is so despicable, how is Brandon Marshall still in this league? Where is the public outcry for his banning? It's OK because it happened four years ago now?

I think he should be banned, over a year even, but not blackballed. That's shortsighted overreaction, not good policy or sound logic.

I get that the league can only move forward, can't retroact bans, but I just think a more tempered approach, say, like, following a policy you adopted two weeks ago, might be more sound and logical.

There will always be a poster child for when a rule goes into effect. Ray Rice happens to be the guy this time around. What guys like Phillips, Brandon Marshall, etc did years ago doesnt apply to what is in place now. Is it sad it took this long? Absolutely. But that doesnt mean that the league should continue ignoring the problem just because it wasnt in force years back. As i stated a few pages back, simply reading about something and seeing the actual event (via video) is different on so many levels. Could Rice go on the rest of his life and never hit a woman again? Maybe. But just goes to show you have to always be accountable for what you do, especially if you are someone who is in the spotlight. Ray Rice might be a pariah now but i dont feel any sympathy for him whatsoever.

Part of what bothers me is that everyone knew he had nocked her out. It was obvious. The video didn't show a different story then the one we already understood. She hit him on the way into the elevator. Then, in the elevator she advanced towards him and started swinging, which is when he nocked her out.

I am not advocating what he did, but I am saying this is a sad reflection of how reactionary our society is. I'd really like the majority of people who are now suddenly outraged to explain how this changed the perception of what they already understood.

I don't think it's fair to suddenly black list the guy from the league based on one incident. I have never liked him, but I hope he gets a second chance.

Sorry. she didn't "Hit him" on the way to the elevator. A slap to the arm, that to me indicated that the elevator on her side just opened and she was slapping his arm to tell him. HEll, I don't care if she was slapping his arm in disgust...that was NOTHING! That was in NO WAY a threat, since she did it while walking AWAY.

Video is ALWAYS much more desturbing. What happens behind closed doors leaves the imagination to tell you the story. How did it happen? Did he haul off and hit her? Was she just overly drunk and it wasn't much? Was it a weird thing that happened? Was it in the middle of her losing her shit and things got out of hand?

NO ONE KNEW..and because of that, you tend to let your mind wander (generally speaking) to a place that is 'lesser' than reality. But when you see him just pop her with a left cross and leave her cold on the floor, ignoring her..... it wasn't an accident. She wasn't losing her shit. It wasn't anything weird. ALLL the questions are answered, NOTHING is left to the imagination, and THAT will always... ALWAYS...garner a much more emotional response.

Unless there is an owner out there that is willing to tell his fan base .. "yeah, we saw the video but think his talent is worth the appearance of advacacy of violance towards woman".... that guy isn't getting another Job in the NFL. No way.

Originally Posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor

Part of what bothers me is that everyone knew he had nocked her out. It was obvious. The video didn't show a different story then the one we already understood. She hit him on the way into the elevator. Then, in the elevator she advanced towards him and started swinging, which is when he nocked her out.

I am not advocating what he did, but I am saying this is a sad reflection of how reactionary our society is. I'd really like the majority of people who are now suddenly outraged to explain how this changed the perception of what they already understood.

I don't think it's fair to suddenly black list the guy from the league based on one incident. I have never liked him, but I hope he gets a second chance.

Perfectly summed up

Originally Posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor

Part of what bothers me is that everyone knew he had nocked her out. It was obvious. The video didn't show a different story then the one we already understood. She hit him on the way into the elevator. Then, in the elevator she advanced towards him and started swinging, which is when he nocked her out.

I am not advocating what he did, but I am saying this is a sad reflection of how reactionary our society is. I'd really like the majority of people who are now suddenly outraged to explain how this changed the perception of what they already understood.

I don't think it's fair to suddenly black list the guy from the league based on one incident. I have never liked him, but I hope he gets a second chance.

Its a pretty serious incident. I just cant get on board with you there. Im happy as a clam that he is out of the league and any player going forward needs to be thrown out as well. I personally have a zero tolerance for domestic violence so that is just my personal stance on that. I think the reaction has more to do with the fact that he was never punished correctly in the first place. People were already extremely pissed off about the 2 games, when the video got released it just angered people even more so thus, the reaction.

The NFL is about 40 years late with this, but better late than never I guess. I feel a little for Ray that his career has been sacrificed over this and it's the only thing anybody will remember about him (like kermit washington breaking Rudy T' s face)... but nobody forced Ray to bludgeon his wife unconscious either.

The NFL has a serious problem with abusers. I would like to eventually see a policy that requires mandatory, career long counseling after the first offense in the pros, and a mandatory year of counseling for anyone with any incidents prior to their pro careers. Most of these young men have had horrible life examples and zero skills for self correction. If you want those who have crossed the line to be BETTER and not just do a better job of covering up, then HELP them do better. When did Brandon Marshall do better? When he got correctly diagnosed by a therapist and given the tools via counseling to improve himself.

I remember Clarence Kay beating his wife on more than one occasion, and the team shaking its collective heads and then just putting him back on the field. His Wikipedia entry: between 1984 and 2006 Kay was arrested at least 12 times.

It's been a problem for a long, long time. Maybe the league needs to start taking Draft picks or cap money from teams with violent offenders. Perhaps then the teams will be less inclined to keep or enable those people, regardless of their on field talent. If Rice has to be the guy who gets the ball rolling, then so be it.

He can spend the rest of his life at speaking engagements and bullying clinics and working with non profit shelters and the like. Football only lasts and short time. Who you are is forever, and he can have far more impact off the field. If he's as good a guy as everyone was spouting that he was, then he can come back from this and make a difference. I wish him luck in that, I really do. But I don't care about his lost career in this case. It had to be someone, some time. Better we don't wait any longer.

Originally Posted by Northman

Its a pretty serious incident. I just cant get on board with you there. Im happy as a clam that he is out of the league and any player going forward needs to be thrown out as well. I personally have a zero tolerance for domestic violence so that is just my personal stance on that. I think the reaction has more to do with the fact that he was never punished correctly in the first place. People were already extremely pissed off about the 2 games, when the video got released it just angered people even more so thus, the reaction.

I get what you're saying, and I respect your opinion. I just have a different one. I am not expressing tolerance for domestic violence. Are you saying Brandon Marshall should be out of the league as well?

I think there's a big difference between someone who has tendency to hit women, and someone who did it one time. If Ray Rice made one bad choice, he should get another chance, just like the league states. If he does it again, then it's a lifetime ban.

Ok, so down the road, Ray will probably get reinstated. Since its his first time, doubt they can enforce a lifetime ban, according to the new rule. The question is, will any team want to take on this circus? Will Ray Rice ever play in the NFL again?

Originally Posted by Ravage!!!

Sorry. she didn't "Hit him" on the way to the elevator. A slap to the arm, that to me indicated that the elevator on her side just opened and she was slapping his arm to tell him. HEll, I don't care if she was slapping his arm in disgust...that was NOTHING! That was in NO WAY a threat, since she did it while walking AWAY.

Video is ALWAYS much more desturbing. What happens behind closed doors leaves the imagination to tell you the story. How did it happen? Did he haul off and hit her? Was she just overly drunk and it wasn't much? Was it a weird thing that happened? Was it in the middle of her losing her shit and things got out of hand?

NO ONE KNEW..and because of that, you tend to let your mind wander (generally speaking) to a place that is 'lesser' than reality. But when you see him just pop her with a left cross and leave her cold on the floor, ignoring her..... it wasn't an accident. She wasn't losing her shit. It wasn't anything weird. ALLL the questions are answered, NOTHING is left to the imagination, and THAT will always... ALWAYS...garner a much more emotional response.

Unless there is an owner out there that is willing to tell his fan base .. "yeah, we saw the video but think his talent is worth the appearance of advacacy of violance towards woman".... that guy isn't getting another Job in the NFL. No way.

Your summed this up perfectly rav. This is the exact reason ray rice is out of the league and guys like marshall aren't. When you don't see the tape, you can't fully prove that it was an unprovoked attack. This is the first case with video evidence and thus why it's such a firestorm now compared to before. I don't see how people don't get this.

Originally Posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor

I get what you're saying, and I respect your opinion. I just have a different one. I am not expressing tolerance for domestic violence. Are you saying Brandon Marshall should be out of the league as well?

If Brandon has another episode of abuse than yea. At this stage the rules were not in effect when Brandon was doing his thing. I think right now McDonald will be the first to test the waters of how Goodell's new policy will be applied. I think the reason why Ray's was so severe is because he lied about how it went down. The video was the damning evidence otherwise he would still be only serving the 2 game suspension. But i think McDonald will be the first to lose either 6-8 games.

I think there's a big difference between someone who has tendency to hit women, and someone who did it one time. If Ray Rice made one bad choice, he should get another chance, just like the league states. If he does it again, then it's a lifetime ban.

I guess that is just where we have to disagree. One time is too many in my book. I dont slapping around a woman or knocking them unconscious is a slight mishap or mistake. It should never happen in my opinion but if the league is going to go with a few games suspension and then banishment for the 2nd offense than that is how its going to be i guess. There are just certain crimes that i will not budge on because of my personal belief. Ray may never hit a woman again and that will be great for him but he should not be able to play football again as i think his punishment fits the crime.