Thread: 2014/2015 College Football Thread

Originally Posted by OrangeHoof

How do you know an undefeated team would lose just because they haven't played a tough schedule? Didn't all those upstart years of Boise St. teach you anything?

Originally Posted by BroncoWave

Boise St. actually beat real teams during that stretch though. They usually played 1-2 tough teams in their non-conference. Marshall didn't play anyone this year. CUSA is really really bad, and they didn't play anyone out of conference.

^This

A few years ago BYU was one of the teams with only one loss but not invited to play in the National Championship game to which they started whining and crying about how they deserved to be there because of their record. They preceded to get blown out by their bowl opponent who had a worse record than they did. This is why you just dont let any team play in the playoffs because of said record because then you will have teams who really dont deserve being there getting their ass kicked and the playoffs would simply become a joke and not used how it was intended.

Definitely north. The comparison to Boise St. is just a bad one. They proved they belonged by beating Oklahoma in the fiesta bowl and by playing and beating a couple of BCS schools in their non-conference schedule every year. And those Boise St. teams actually had high round NFL talent. I can't think of anyone on Marshall who is going in the first round. Just not an equal comparison at all.

If you just let a team's record be the be-all end-all of who gets in, then there is no need to even have a committee. The committee is there to actually watch the games and pick who the 4 best teams were.

Originally Posted by Northman

^This

A few years ago BYU was one of the teams with only one loss but not invited to play in the National Championship game to which they started whining and crying about how they deserved to be there because of their record. They preceded to get blown out by their bowl opponent who had a worse record than they did. This is why you just dont let any team play in the playoffs because of said record because then you will have teams who really dont deserve being there getting their ass kicked and the playoffs would simply become a joke and not used how it was intended.

So, by that example, we can presume that Alabama was a shitty team last year because they were blown out in the Sugar Bowl by an Oklahoma team that couldn't even win their conference? Send any team to a bowl they don't want to play in because they believe they should have gone to a better one and they'll often play badly. Bowls are unpredictable and an awful way to gauge how a team would play if they had a national championship to play for.

The playoff is intended to pair the most deserving teams. Tell me again how an undefeated/untied team is undeserving? If a team has a loss, that's different because you can then compare the quality of their losses. Undefeated means they met every challenge set before them on the schedule and we can't say a team is inferior until they've lost to someone.

You play for the national championship because you beat every team on your schedule and if there aren't enough teams to fill the field, you then choose the one-loss team with the mildest blemish (i.e. lost to a Top 10 team on the road by a narrow margin on a fluke play, etc.). IMO, strength of schedule falls below # of losses, mildest blemish and conference titlist before weighing that. Strength of schedule is for the everyone-in-the-pool 68-teams-and-growing basketball tournament. Football still ought to be settled on the field.

Originally Posted by OrangeHoof

So, by that example, we can presume that Alabama was a shitty team last year because they were blown out in the Sugar Bowl by an Oklahoma team that couldn't even win their conference? Send any team to a bowl they don't want to play in because they believe they should have gone to a better one and they'll often play badly. Bowls are unpredictable and an awful way to gauge how a team would play if they had a national championship to play for.

The playoff is intended to pair the most deserving teams. Tell me again how an undefeated/untied team is undeserving? If a team has a loss, that's different because you can then compare the quality of their losses. Undefeated means they met every challenge set before them on the schedule and we can't say a team is inferior until they've lost to someone.

You play for the national championship because you beat every team on your schedule and if there aren't enough teams to fill the field, you then choose the one-loss team with the mildest blemish (i.e. lost to a Top 10 team on the road by a narrow margin on a fluke play, etc.). IMO, strength of schedule falls below # of losses, mildest blemish and conference titlist before weighing that. Strength of schedule is for the everyone-in-the-pool 68-teams-and-growing basketball tournament. Football still ought to be settled on the field.

Marshall doesn't play on the same playing field as the big powers. I can guarantee you that, playing Marshall's schedule, MSU, Ole Miss, Bama, Auburn, A&M, LSU, and Georgia at least would go undefeated. Could probably also throw in Mizzou and Arkansas as well.

If Marshall wants to be in the final 4, schedule a couple of big time opponents for their OOC, beat them, and then we can talk. That's what Boise St did, and they were rewarded with high rankings.

But seriously, here are the current Sagarin ratings for the 12 teams Marshall faces this season: 161, 229, 142, 111, 134, 91, 137, 130, 136, 84, 114, 95.

That's not a misprint. They play all of THREE teams ranked in the top ONE HUNDRED according to Sagarin (say what you will about his ratings, good enough to use as a baseline IMO), and the highest of those is at 84. I'm sorry, but that is not a team deserving of being in the playoffs if they go undefeated.

Mississippi State, by contrast, will play 4 of the top 10 in those rankings. If MSU goes 11-1 and Marshall goes 12-0, sorry, MSU is a more deserving team.

Go Thundering Herd!

Originally Posted by Nomad

Go Thundering Herd!

Go Herding Thunder!

Originally Posted by OrangeHoof

So, by that example, we can presume that Alabama was a shitty team last year because they were blown out in the Sugar Bowl by an Oklahoma team that couldn't even win their conference? Send any team to a bowl they don't want to play in because they believe they should have gone to a better one and they'll often play badly.

Then, that falls on Bama. If you are a team and feel you got slighted and then proceed to go and not only lose your bowl game but get your ass handed too you than all it says is that the pundits were correct in keeping you out of the game you wanted to be in. If anything, BYU, Bama, or whoever only solidify that they didnt belong in the NCG.You want to prove you were slighted? Go out and beat your bowl opponent and prove the selection committee wrong. BYU nor Bama did that.

The playoff is intended to pair the most deserving teams. Tell me again how an undefeated/untied team is undeserving? If a team has a loss, that's different because you can then compare the quality of their losses. Undefeated means they met every challenge set before them on the schedule and we can't say a team is inferior until they've lost to someone.

And thus the highlighted is the problem with your argument. Marshall not only hasnt faced any real challenges but they wouldnt be deserving of a playoff spot because of that. If schools like Marshall want to be taken seriously they need to take more chances on their schedule. UVA does that so there is no reason why Marshall cant do that either.

You play for the national championship because you beat every team on your schedule; Football still ought to be settled on the field.

And it is, but to try and pretend the playing field and quality of opponents is all the same is just naive on your part. The playoffs are for the best teams in the nation but you cant decide that off schools who havent challenged themselves by playing cupcake schools on their schedule. In my opinion, if a school like Marshall wants to be taken seriously than they A) either need to improve their scheduling or B) find a way to move into a conference that presents more of a challenge for them throughout the regular season. Or C) have a separate playoff system for conferences that involve the USA, Midwest, Mountain West, and Sunbelt. Sorry Hoofy, your argument is just incredibly flawed because allowing a team who plays nothing but cream puffs to play with the big boys goes totally against what the playoffs were for and that is (in its present form) to have the BEST teams in the nation.

As Wave pointed out, if teams in the SEC played against nothing but teams in those lower divisions they would all be undefeated and Marshall would still be on the outside looking in.

Maryland refused to shake hands at the coin toss with Penn State. Penalized 15 yards for unsportsmanlike.

Also tried to start a fight with the Nittany Lions in pregame.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

Maryland refused to shake hands at the coin toss with Penn State. Penalized 15 yards for unsportsmanlike.

Also tried to start a fight with the Nittany Lions in pregame.

Why...just curious? What caused them to have bad blood?

Maryland just being douches like always.

Originally Posted by Northman

Maryland just being douches like always.

Really.....that's nonsense not to shake hands just to be douchebags? Who's there HC? Can't remember the last time I saw Maryland play.

Pretty horrible slate of early games. Watching Air Force-Army now but I'm mostly waiting for the good games later today.

Originally Posted by Nomad

Really.....that's nonsense not to shake hands just to be douchebags? Who's there HC? Can't remember the last time I saw Maryland play.

Cant remember his name but i think its the guy who used to be at UCONN.