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    I frankly think refs let defenses get away with a little more against us, figuring they need help, and when Decker jumps around screaming for flags (which he admittedly did too much) they're like, "You're still shattering passing records left and right: It's fine." But rules are supposed to maintain equal OPPORTUNITY, not handicap the most talented teams and/or boost the least talented so teams like the Jags can compete with teams like us. Except sometimes I wonder if that's NOT the idea with new NFL rules; no one (except us) will pay to watch us bury Jacksonville 108-0.

    I also suspect that "all trees must be the same height" mentality makes it harder for our defense, because when they're wrestling with receivers for every pass, clubbing passers to the ground and decleating ball carriers refs are like, "Hey, it's 41-10; don't be a jerk about it." But it's a full contact sport, and taking the fourth quarter off means no new contract, whatever the score.

    It's not all (and maybe not mostly) on refs though. Most of last year, I wondered how a team in TODAYS league could stay competitive with a bunch of guys suspended for doping; how it could get away with publicly PROUDLY calling itself "the Legion of Boom" in the arena flag football league. Then I finally realized their logic: If they all do it all the time, the league CAN'T catch EVERYONE EVERYTIME. Same rationale the Raiders used in the '70s: If we play dirty every down, we'll get the most penalties, but still get away with half of it; they can't see everything....

    The difference is Seattle's made a science of it. There was an eye-opening article saw last year about the Seahawks runing EVERY PRACTICE with guys covered in armor and the no-no areas clearly marked so defenders learn where to deliver totally legal yet totally injurious early/late hits. They've done exactly what I said teams would do if the NFL focused on WHERE or HOW players tried to injure opponents instead of banning INTENTIONAL injuries themselves: Keep right on deliberately injuring opponents, and simply do it in areas that's still legal.

    The difference between dirty & mean is trying to inflict injury rather than pain; apparently, the NFL still doesn't know—so teams like Seattle still don't CARE—about that: They don't HAVE to care.
    Oh, valid point. I thought you meant all starters, you should take the time to be more descriptive, don't be shy. Jaded

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    Quote Originally Posted by atwater27 View Post
    Since when is grabbing receivers with your hands and holding them considered solid play?
    Gimme a break man. Whenever a team has a great defense the complaints and overreactions are always the same. This shit happened a few years ago after the Colts cried to the league about the Patriots supposedly doing the same thing. Yes, some defenders are more aggressive at times than others. But do they do it ever single play throughout an entire game? No. Total overreaction as usual. The funny thing is nothing ever gets said about the bigger receivers putting their hands on the defenders and pulling them out of the way so they can get the ball and thats also illegal. I know its easy to hate on Seattle for the type of attitude and smack talk they give (i surely do) but im not going to make excuses that they cheat or are committing penalties on every play when that is just not the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northman View Post
    Gimme a break man. Whenever a team has a great defense the complaints and overreactions are always the same. This shit happened a few years ago after the Colts cried to the league about the Patriots supposedly doing the same thing. Yes, some defenders are more aggressive at times than others. But do they do it ever single play throughout an entire game? No. Total overreaction as usual. The funny thing is nothing ever gets said about the bigger receivers putting their hands on the defenders and pulling them out of the way so they can get the ball and thats also illegal. I know its easy to hate on Seattle for the type of attitude and smack talk they give (i surely do) but im not going to make excuses that they cheat or are committing penalties on every play when that is just not the case.
    You have me mistaken, as usual. Holding or not, the Seahawks have the best defense I have seen in a decade. I think they should call contact on receivers too. and I never said the seachickens do it on every play. So you give me a break.

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    Why are we allowing immigrants any contact - if they are illegal they should be deported. End of chat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daveaitken18 View Post
    Why are we allowing immigrants any contact - if they are illegal they should be deported. End of chat.
    Tagliabues stupid rule entitles them to a mandatory hearing to determine if they fled locker room bullying in the region and qualify for a trade. I'm fine with sticking Dick Sherman in a penalty box with armed refs until we have a verdict either way though.
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    Oh, valid point. I thought you meant all starters, you should take the time to be more descriptive, don't be shy. Jaded

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    The Broncos have pumped a lot of money in their OL, there's only so much money you can pump into one position group.

    Meanwhile, one of the OL the Broncos absolutely had to have instead of Peyton Manning has probably played his final game long before Manning. Remember when they shoulda built a dynasty around Tebow using all that precious cap space on ProBowl FA's instead of giving $98 mil to Manning? That was funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaded View Post
    The Broncos have pumped a lot of money in their OL, there's only so much money you can pump into one position group.
    I admit I haven't paid much attention this offseason: Exactly where did the Broncos "pump a lot of money in their OL" since it made our explosive offense explode on the launchpad last February? We got back an injured starter, and since he's our best lineman (if fully recovered) and plays the most important spot, that's huge, but our other 4 starters started the SB; didn't seem to do us much good, and one of them's gone from the RT spot he couldn't handle in 3 years trying to the G spot he hasn't played since college.

    I seem to recall we drafted a linemen in the 3rd or 4th round, but I'm not up on the current CBA; does the rookie salary cap pay 3rd rounders a lot of money?

    Before this turns into another one of THOSE threads, I'll stop talking offensive linemen in a thread about the defensive secondary; last word's yours if you want it.
    Oh, valid point. I thought you meant all starters, you should take the time to be more descriptive, don't be shy. Jaded

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    They have two big contracts on the OL, Clady and Vasquez, they're most likely headed for a 3rd one in Franklin. While it clearly doesn't meet your standards and expectations for allocating salary cap slots, it certainly makes reasonable sense in the land of reality.

    Btw, anybody who has paid attention this offseason would tell you this wasn't exactly the best year to decide to spend big on FA OL.

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/transac...free-agents/ot

    G's and C's was even worse.

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/transactions/free-agents/g

    Oh well, I guess they'll have to get by with just two All-Pro linemen.
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    they should have never let it get so outrageous in the first place

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaded View Post
    They have two big contracts on the OL, Clady and Vasquez, they're most likely headed for a 3rd one in Franklin. While it clearly doesn't meet your standards and expectations for allocating salary cap slots, it certainly makes reasonable sense in the land of reality.
    We'll see how big Franklins contract is AFTER this year; we didn't move him inside because desperation for the stellar LG he may not be trumped need for the stellar RT he's DEFINITELY not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaded View Post
    Btw, anybody who has paid attention this offseason would tell you this wasn't exactly the best year to decide to spend big on FA OL.

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/transac...free-agents/ot
    Alberts 88 average (of TWO?) ratings isn't bad; far better than Franklin or Clark, though I concede we couldn't afford to pay him $10 mil. I figured KC would do that, at the expense of:

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    Jon Asamoah, who's getting a budget-busting $2 million this year that peaks at $3.75 million if he plays every game of 2018. He's a year younger than Vasquez; we'd have been locked into a pair of starting stud Gs for the next 3 years. Failing that, the OTHER guard KC released, Geoff Schwartz, is making even less this year (though more on the back end) and has NFL experience playing OT, too, though it looks like a preseason toe injury will cost him all or most of this season.

    Beyond KC, Willie Colon replaced his one year placeholder contract with the Jets with an IDENTICAL one making the same as Asamoah. At 31, this may've been his last chance for a big long term contract, but a healthy signing bonus spread over a long contract probably would've brought him onboard with minimal pain, especially since he's heading toward Win Now mode himself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaded View Post
    Oh well, I guess they'll have to get by with just two All-Pro linemen.
    No problem. Those 2 All Pros can play 5 starting spots at once, right? Or, at least, opposing defenses won't send their whole front seven pouring through a couple gaping holes if we ask nicely?
    Oh, valid point. I thought you meant all starters, you should take the time to be more descriptive, don't be shy. Jaded

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    It's not like Denver has 2 All-Pro OL and 3 stiffs, if that's your argument you can save it, the point is you can't have 5 All-Pro lineman. Although, if any team could pull that off the Broncos would be on the short list of possible teams...considering they already have 2 All-Pro OL.

    Schwartz and Asomoa can suck a fart with a side of weak sauce.
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    Default The point is (at least) 2 of our starting linemen could be stiffs, All Pros or anything between: NO ONE knows....

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaded View Post
    It's not like Denver has 2 All-Pro OL and 3 stiffs, if that's your argument you can save it, the point is you can't have 5 All-Pro lineman. Although, if any team could pull that off the Broncos would be on the short list of possible teams...considering they already have 2 All-Pro OL.
    Just because Fox called Clark the NFLs best BACKUP doesn't prove him a good STARTER (even if one thinks Fox knows his offense from a hole in the ground.) Nor that Franklin's any better at a spot he hasn't played since college than he was at the spot Clark won. After his awful 2012 at G, Ramirez was a nice surprise at C, but still inconsistent, and I still think he lacks the strength to play inside, especialy since Vasquez is more agile pass blocker than forceful run blocker. Plus Ramirez scored the SBs first points by sending its first SNAP past Manning to our end zone.

    We don't KNOW what Clark or Franklin are. But we know Asamoah and Schwartz are both stud guards in their prime, the latter a far more reliable G with starting OT experience than Franklin.

    Well, we go to the war with the army we've got, not the army we could've had. Now I think, I promised you the last word on the topic since it's not the THREADS topic; my apologies for reneging, and you get the final comment if you want it (really this time.)
    Oh, valid point. I thought you meant all starters, you should take the time to be more descriptive, don't be shy. Jaded

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    If you don't have faith in Denver's OL maybe you should come up with some complex algorithm/rating system to make them look better, that is if you don't like the mental gymnastics that PFF and FO has done for you.

    It amazes me the effort you put into propping up hacks but then stubbornly refuse to budge on players that have actually earned a job in professional football.

    And again, Schwartz and Asamoah are not "studs", Vasquez is a "stud", Saints G's are studs. I...am a stud.
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