Thread: Super Bowl XLVIII: Denver Broncos vs. Seattle Seahawks

Originally Posted by 7DnBrnc53

Joel's just mad because he thinks that we are mortgaging the future because of the Manning signing. Never mind that the Broncos had complete drafts the last two years, and drafted a potential replacement for Peyton two years ago. Since Elway signed Manning, he is now like George Allen (lol).

Joel doesn't give a shit about mortgaging the future, he'd be just fine with every single move they've made just as long as they didn't sign/draft a QB. He never liked the direction they went with the QB position, from Day 1 he's been Stage 5 butthurt, that's what this is all about.

Originally Posted by OrangeHoof

Seriously?? $20 million pissed away and never plays a down and you'd STILL say it was worth it?

Pardon me. I thought I was discussing this with someone whose IQ was above invertebrate.

Abso-*******-lutely, they had NOTHING to lose and everything to gain! It's not your money and they protected themselves contractually in the case that Manning was done. Plus it got them out from under Tebowmania. There was literally no downside to this gamble.

Stop looking at it from a fans point of view, looking at it from the Broncos point of view there was zero downside to signing Manning.

Zero.

Zilch.

Nada.

It was a Win/Win proposition from the second Manning was released by the Colts.

If we're really going to do this, after it's now 100 percent clear Manning was the right move, then let's do this.

Quarterbacks cost $20 million per year. That's what they cost. Period. End of discussion.

So, if Tebow was everything Joel wanted him to be, Denver would now be paying him $20 million because his contract would be up. Kaepernick and Wilson are coming up too, and they'll get paid $20 million like every other damn quarterback out there. If it wasn't Tebow, and it was someone else other than Manning, it would be a $20 million price tag.

That's not "mortgaging the future." That's doing what you need to do to win and getting a big time quarterback who will win big time games. That man costs $20 million. Unless you can find someone in the draft who in years 2-4 can take you to a Super Bowl (Kaepernick and Wilson are not the norm), you're going to pay $20 million.

The fact we're talking about this in Super Bowl week with the Broncos in the game, is absurd.

peyton effin' manning!!!

Remember trolling? Now it's Joelling.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

So you are saying I'm a WWF fan but I'm in the dark about it?

I wonder more and more about that each season, especially after last year. What kind of defensive captain tells his teammates he's retiring before their first playoff game? The kind who knows that's the kind of thing that makes the NFL say, "This is an irresistible ratings narrative: Make it happen." Then they get some dubious calls in a wildcard win vs. Indy, then a LOT of awful calls against us, and I quit watching because the SB winner's a foregone conclusion. Maybe I'm wrong; all I know is who did, in fact, win that SB.

Originally Posted by 7DnBrnc53

Joel's just mad because he thinks that we are mortgaging the future because of the Manning signing. Never mind that the Broncos had complete drafts the last two years, and drafted a potential replacement for Peyton two years ago. Since Elway signed Manning, he is now like George Allen (lol).

I WAS mad, and that was one of several reasons, yes. Now, well, we reached the AFCCG within 2 years, which was the minimum necessary to convince me it was worth it. Then we dominated a team that's tormented us for two straight seasons, and now we're in the SB, where any team can beat any other on any given Sunday to bring home a third Lombardi. Even if, heaven forbid, those 'roid-raging thugs beat us, we've got a solid foundation to build on next year when we get a lot of key stellar players back from season-ending injury.

At the time though, there was substantial reason to worry about dropping $20 million on a 36 year old QB coming off 4 spinal surgeries, whose old Rockies buddy (as we found out much later) laughed when he one-hopped a ball to first base from home plate, because he thought Manning was making a joke. That was $20 million I'd have rather have spent filling the many holes on a team that had noneless just made the playoffs and beaten the #1 D, so we could establish a dynasty to compete for the next decade.

It's working out fine, so I won't complain; quite the opposite. But POTENTIAL replacements don't mean jack; Testaverde was the potential replacement for the failure of Steve Young, and we saw how that worked. The draft's such a crap shoot teams not only can't be sure who they drafted till he plays sometimes they can't even be sure THEN; that's why Young and Favre got traded.

Originally Posted by Jaded

Joel doesn't give a shit about mortgaging the future, he'd be just fine with every single move they've made just as long as they didn't sign/draft a QB. He never liked the direction they went with the QB position, from Day 1 he's been Stage 5 butthurt, that's what this is all about.

Actually, I've complained annually since '05 about not drafting a MLB or DT. I'm just not "looking at it from a fans point of view" that makes me eager to drop $20 million on an aging HoFer just to get rid of a guy I hate for dragging us to our first playoff game in 6 years, then winning it.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

If we're really going to do this, after it's now 100 percent clear Manning was the right move, then let's do this.

Quarterbacks cost $20 million per year. That's what they cost. Period. End of discussion.

So, if Tebow was everything Joel wanted him to be, Denver would now be paying him $20 million because his contract would be up. Kaepernick and Wilson are coming up too, and they'll get paid $20 million like every other damn quarterback out there. If it wasn't Tebow, and it was someone else other than Manning, it would be a $20 million price tag.

That's not "mortgaging the future." That's doing what you need to do to win and getting a big time quarterback who will win big time games. That man costs $20 million. Unless you can find someone in the draft who in years 2-4 can take you to a Super Bowl (Kaepernick and Wilson are not the norm), you're going to pay $20 million.

The fact we're talking about this in Super Bowl week with the Broncos in the game, is absurd.

The difference is IF he'd been everything I thought he MIGHT BECOME and his contract were up now we wouldn't be talking about whether he retires at 27: We'd have a franchise QB for the next decade instead of hoping Osweiler can take over NEXT YEAR or the one after that. We're not talking about $20 million/year for Luck, but $20 million/year for Manning fresh off 4 spinal surgeries. We never had a choice between THOSE two options, but the team that did made it pretty quickly.

In that sense (and maybe he meant that and just expressed it badly) Irsay was right: Given a choice between the closest the draft gets to a sure thing that'll help you compete for SBs for the next 15 years, or HOPING Manning recuperates well enough to compete for one or two more before he hits 40, that's no choice at all.

Signing Manning solved NONE of the MANY other problems that kept us from winning a SB in 2011 (and, believe it or not, our QB didn't give up 5 TDs in ONE HALF in the playoffs,) we had no idea if he'd be able to play even adequately just after 4 spinal surgeries, and even if he played as well as, well, THIS, he's still gonna be gone in just a few seasons. Those are facts, like 'em or not.

Originally Posted by Hawgdriver

Remember trolling? Now it's Joelling.

Newsflash: I didn't bring up the topic, and have repeatedly said my concerns were mooted by Denver doing exactly what I feared we might NOT do when we signed Manning: Reach a SB or AT LEAST a Conference Championship within 2 years.

It helps, too, that Elway filled many of those other holes, though in several cases with guys who are either >30, on short contracts, or both. I'm still concerned about the bottom dropping out when Manning retires, which will be soon whatever happens in two weeks. However, having another Lombardi Trophy by the third rebuild in a decade would soothe a lot of its pain.

I've just to learn that when someone brings up one of these flame-seeking topics I should stay the HELL away from it, or this is what I'll always get for my trouble.

Originally Posted by Joel

The difference is IF he'd been everything I thought he MIGHT BECOME and his contract were up now we wouldn't be talking about whether he retires at 27: We'd have a franchise QB for the next decade instead of hoping Osweiler can take over NEXT YEAR or the one after that. We're not talking about $20 million/year for Luck, but $20 million/year for Manning fresh off 4 spinal surgeries. We never had a choice between THOSE two options, but the team that did made it pretty quickly.

You know what.

You were wrong. And since you intend to bitch during Super Bowl week, I just might rub your nose in it. You were WRONG.

Tebow was SO bad, he is out of the league after three seasons and one training camp. Spearheading the SEC Network as an analyst, not as a player, because his eligibility is up. That's not building a contender for a decade. In fact, that's the exact opposite. If we had stuck by Tebow, we'd have hit rock bottom with a worthless, overhyped quarterback whose best quality was speaking to a crowd about his religion.

Instead, the Broncos are in the Super Bowl. And you were WRONG.

I don't hate Tebow, Joel, I hated watching him pretend to play QB but I don't hate him. But that's beside the point, looking at it from the Broncos point of view, they actually had no choice but to go all-in on Peyton Manning. They literally had nothing to lose, and you know it.

Oh, and btw, while you didn't bring up Tebow you sure didn't waste any time joining the pity party when Hoof brought him up.

Originally Posted by OrangeHoof

No, but if Manning did not lead Denver to a Super Bowl, his signing should have been considered a failure.I think if he were candid, Peyton himself would tell you the same thing. What I am saying is that the Manning signing changed the team's emphasis from building through the draft to "win it all now". With Manning's age and small window, that's the only reason you'd sign him is to win now. I think our personnel would look considerably different had Manning signed elsewhere.

That's not accurate OH. Elway and Fox have been continuing to build this team through the draft.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

You know what.

You were wrong. And since you intend to bitch during Super Bowl week, I just might rub your nose in it. You were WRONG.

Tebow was SO bad, he is out of the league after three seasons and one training camp. Spearheading the SEC Network as an analyst, not as a player, because his eligibility is up. That's not building a contender for a decade. In fact, that's the exact opposite. If we had stuck by Tebow, we'd have hit rock bottom with a worthless, overhyped quarterback whose best quality was speaking to a crowd about his religion.

Instead, the Broncos are in the Super Bowl. And you were WRONG.

lol. . .

hobbit raaaage!

Originally Posted by Joel

I've just to learn that when someone brings up one of these flame-seeking topics I should stay the HELL away from it, or this is what I'll always get for my trouble.

Sorry to dish out the hate Joel, but it's just too much for me man. Channel J is bringing me down. Or maybe it's everyone's reaction to readings from the Book Of Joel. Either way, I gotta change the channel.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

You know what.

You were wrong. And since you intend to bitch during Super Bowl week, I just might rub your nose in it. You were WRONG.

Tebow was SO bad, he is out of the league after three seasons and one training camp. Spearheading the SEC Network as an analyst, not as a player, because his eligibility is up. That's not building a contender for a decade. In fact, that's the exact opposite. If we had stuck by Tebow, we'd have hit rock bottom with a worthless, overhyped quarterback whose best quality was speaking to a crowd about his religion.

Instead, the Broncos are in the Super Bowl. And you were WRONG.

I said this place would meltdown if we didn't reach an AFCCG within two years of signing Manning, so we'll never know if I was wrong. And I'm not bitching: You're bitching at me. As usual.

Originally Posted by Joel

we'll never know if I was wrong. And I'm not bitching

Yes, you were......and yes, you are.

Originally Posted by Joel

I said this place would meltdown if we didn't reach an AFCCG within two years of signing Manning, so we'll never know if I was wrong. And I'm not bitching: You're bitching at me. As usual.

No.

You said you wanted Laron Landry over Peyton Manning.

LOL. Now **** off. This is a thread about Denver in a Super Bowl with Manning. Not Tebow.