Thread: Broncos' Marshall suspended over conduct

Originally Posted by OldschoolFreak

There's no evidence, given McD's hardline approach that they did, though I have no proof that is the case. Every interview, press release, etc. I've seen of him is that he's uncommunicative and takes a hard nosed "my way or the highway" approach.

Well - I can't really argue with you, as I don't know either.

What I do know is that Marshall is showing himself to really be a Baby TO (with more off the field baggage). 3 organizations attempted to deal with TO without much success (SF, Phili, Dallas)... Those organizations are not run by nitwits. I imagine people tried to "sit down and talk" with TO. You just can't get through to some people.

Originally Posted by Dortoh

Exactly they baited one of their own players into this. They know Brandon and knew that putting him on ST's would break him and cause a reaction. Great job coach McD you got what you wanted......one less probowler on your team.

Marshall broke himself but just maybe if he'd have stepped up to the plate and became a team player something good would have happened. Maybe he could have got the trade next season and everybody would be happy.

Marshall chose to be a baby and throw a tantrum no one forced him to do that. It sure as hell ain't McD's fault.

Originally Posted by outdoor_miner

Well -
What I do know is that Marshall is showing himself to really be a Baby TO (with more off the field baggage). 3 organizations attempted to deal with TO without much success (SF, Phili, Dallas)... Those organizations are not run by nitwits. I imagine people tried to "sit down and talk" with TO. You just can't get through to some people.

Yeah. I can't think of a player in the league with more appropriate initials.

Originally Posted by OldschoolFreak

Exactly. For all the great things McD has brought, he needs to tone down the arrogance and work on player communication and overall approachability.

So, McDaniels needs to work on player communication. Does that mean that before each practice, McD should have went up to Marshall, and ask him if he wanted to practice with his teammates that day? And, should McD have told Marshall that he would really like to see him go at it 100%, but if Marshall did not want to do that, it was OK if he just wanted to go at it at 50%

Originally Posted by OldschoolFreak

My point here is that the immaturity of the player was apparent and rather than stick to his guns at all costs, McD and the FO could have tried a little bit more actively to get on his level and diffuse the situation.

And i think one of our points is we have a coach who has seen that giving in to prima donnas doesnt equate to championships. This isnt like Cutler is on the same level mentally as a Tom Brady or Brandon is a Jerry Rice. The reason these players are having issues is because they are having a hard time adjusting to change. And not just a change in the guard but a change in philosphy in which Shanahan babied them.

Originally Posted by Day1BroncoFan

Marshall chose to be a baby and throw a tantrum no one forced him to do that. It sure as hell ain't McD's fault.

And no one said that it was. Why is it always such extremes here?

Did BM royally bungle this. Without a doubt.
Could the FO have perhaps dealt with it better by avoiding some of the escalation? Seems like a reasonable possibility to me.

Originally Posted by Denver Native (Carol)

So, McDaniels needs to work on player communication. Does that mean that before each practice, McD should have went up to Marshall, and ask him if he wanted to practice with his teammates that day? And, should McD have told Marshall that he would really like to see him go at it 100%, but if Marshall did not want to do that, it was OK if he just wanted to go at it at 50%

Yeah. That's what I said!

Come on people...shades of grey.

Pointing out a fault in strategy by the FO does not equate to an attempted coup.

Originally Posted by OldschoolFreak

Yeah. That's what I said!

Come on people...shades of grey.

Pointing out a fault in strategy by the FO does not equate to an attempted coup.

Then what exactly do you feel McDaniels should have done, or not done, keeping in mind that Marshall is not the only player on the team?

Originally Posted by OldschoolFreak

Exactly. For all the great things McD has brought, he needs to tone down the arrogance and work on player communication and overall approachability.

No offense, but you know nothing about any level of arrogance or approachability. You simply assume it. It's a bad assumption. The same comment has been made about Pioli and Haley in K.C. and Belichick in New England. Not surprisingly, the players in New England don't claim that Belichick is arrogant, because it's just people on the outside foolishly throwing labels around.

What too many people here have overlooked is that McDaniels is doing what he thinks he has to in order to change the culture in Denver. And, for those who want to claim that the culture in Denver was fine, the crybaby antics of Cutler and Marshall show otherwise. The players will learn to buy into the system, or the players will end up on other teams. That's not arrogance. It's an attempt to avoid becoming the Bengals, Raiders or Cowboys.

Terry Glenn found that out in New England when Belichick suspended him. What's happening in Denver is nothing new.

Originally Posted by OldschoolFreak

And no one said that it was. Why is it always such extremes here?

Did BM royally bungle this. Without a doubt.
Could the FO have perhaps dealt with it better by avoiding some of the escalation? Seems like a reasonable possibility to me.

Your assessment on BM is fact. Your assessment on the FO is assumption.

I know it sucks, but it's the truth.

Originally Posted by Northman

And i think one of our points is we have a coach who has seen that giving in to prima donnas doesnt equate to championships. This isnt like Cutler is on the same level mentally as a Tom Brady or Brandon is a Jerry Rice. The reason these players are having issues is because they are having a hard time adjusting to change. And not just a change in the guard but a change in philosphy in which Shanahan babied them.

I agree there's an element of this. You do indeed need to bring in accountability right away and build a thriving team culture. But part of that involves meeting people halfway--I'm not talking about handing out contracts but for godsake, don't alienate people by being completely non-approachable.

Originally Posted by Dortoh

My point remains they baited him into this action. That is NOT how you resolve an issue with a player. You sit down and talk to them. Of course everytime coach McD has sat down with a player (cutler & BMarsh) they leave the meeting pissed off.

Lets just hope Josh never becomes head of diplomatic relations for the US or were going to get nuked.

How do you know what was said in those meetings to "piss" them off?

All that needed said is, "I'm the boss, do what I ask."

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

Your assessment on BM is fact. Your assessment on the FO is assumption.

I know it sucks, but it's the truth.

SO you don't think that the FO has had a tendency not to escalate these problems, and they are handling it perfectly? Thats a fact??????????

Come on.. the TRUTH is... the FO hasn't shown that they are able/willing to even handle these kinds of problems, and the NFL is full of them.

The funniest part is... if BMarsh comes to camp and performs like he can, he'd get PAID handsomely.

Now, he ****** it up beyond repair.

Some of these guys will never get it.

I LOVE EDDIE ROYAL!!! (This is a professional.)

Originally Posted by OldschoolFreak

Exactly. For all the great things McD has brought, he needs to tone down the arrogance and work on player communication and overall approachability.

I don't see the arrogance you are speaking of. This reminds me so much of the Giants when Tom Coughlin first got there. Players *****ed and moaned about how tough practices and training camp was. Same in Denver. Players that didn't "buy" into the system weren't around very long. Same in Denver.

Eventually, Coughlin eased up on the Drill Sargeant approach once he had the type players he needed and weeded out the ones he didn't. My guess is that McDaniels will ease up too once everyone understands how things will be run and he gets the type of players needed to execute the new schemes.

Parcells and the other great coaches (not inferring that McDaniels is a great coach) didn't kiss a players ass, why should McDaniels? Oh wait, because he hasn't proved anything yet, right?