Thread: Broncos' Marshall suspended over conduct

I was in a meeting when getting the CBS4 text, but figured it would have been posted by now.

Originally Posted by Dortoh

My point remains they baited him into this action. That is NOT how you resolve an issue with a player. You sit down and talk to them. Of course everytime coach McD has sat down with a player (cutler & BMarsh) they leave the meeting pissed off.

Lets just hope Josh never becomes head of diplomatic relations for the US or were going to get nuked.

Dortoh, I love you and Claymore like brothers, but you guys are missing it on this one. No, I don't think McD has done anything to earn my faith in him, but there was simply no choice here in this particular case. Marshall baited the Broncs, not the other way around. He always was a huge PITA, more trouble than he is worth, and that predates McD. His character is what it is. He is who he is. I have zero doubt at all that he would have pulled the same sort of crap in some form eventually no matter who the coach was. He is TO revisited, and nothing but trouble in the long run.

Originally Posted by Dortoh

Exactly they baited one of their own players into this. They know Brandon and knew that putting him on ST's would break him and cause a reaction. Great job coach McD you got what you wanted......one less probowler on your team.

UNBELIEVABLE

Originally Posted by Dortoh

My point remains they baited him into this action. That is NOT how you resolve an issue with a player. You sit down and talk to them. Of course everytime coach McD has sat down with a player (cutler & BMarsh) they leave the meeting pissed off.

Lets just hope Josh never becomes head of diplomatic relations for the US or were going to get nuked.

You don't know that. How many times has Josh sat down with a player, and
with whom has he sat down? From what I have read and heard, Josh has sat
down with all of them.

The fact is, they have stars such as Clady, Royal, Champ, D.J., Dawkins,
Stokley, et al. who say, "It's Coach's team, and I'm part of that team." Then
they have had others who have said, "I'm a star, and I want preferential
treatment." There's none much that can be done with the latter except to
purge the team of them . . .

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Originally Posted by Dortoh

Sir are you accusing me of stiring the pot

I knew there was a problem with beaky little eyes of yours.

Look, clearly Marshall is an idiot and 90% of this falls on him, not the team. BUT...we were discussing the issue on this forum about a week ago and some people made the argument that despite Marshall's failings, the impetus was on McD to get over himself and try to be reconsiliatory rather than standoffish.

In hindsight that is 100% accurate. Dumbass or not, Marshall is a Probowler and the best receiver on the team. Even if the relationship is irreparable for the long run, the team should have done what it needed to maintain his trade value for when they do unload him.

I'm not saying this doesn't sqaurely fall on Marshall--it does. What I am saying is that rather than play chicken with the guy and wait for him to break with childish communication like was done, the team should have recognized the volatility of the situation, and done what was possible to douse the flames. I'm not talking new contract, I'm talking of a sitdown honest conversation letting him know in no uncertain terms that he's a valuable member of the team and that the best thing for him to do in terms of his own and the team's best interest was to play hard, have a great year and then see what happens.Pouting at him and lying to the media about everything being ok is almost as bad as what he did.

This was a very predictable outcome and rather than coldly wait for an overgrown manchild to lose it, the team should have anticipated, played their cards better by being more conciliatory, and done all in their power to maintain the overall strength of the team.

Like him or not, we are not better without BM. This team just took a step backwards.

Originally Posted by Dortoh

My point remains they baited him into this action. That is NOT how you resolve an issue with a player. You sit down and talk to them. Of course everytime coach McD has sat down with a player (cutler & BMarsh) they leave the meeting pissed off.

Lets just hope Josh never becomes head of diplomatic relations for the US or were going to get nuked.

1. Marshall has admitted that it's not just this year. Shanahan clearly had a problem on his hands, so pinning this all on McD just seems like playing the blame-McD-game to me: "Honestly I can say I really want a fresh new start, with everything thats going on, not just this year but in past years," Marshall said. "Its been a lot. Unfortunately yesterday I let the emotions get the best of me. I apologized to everyone for that. But half of that video was blown out of proportion."

2. If the guy is acting crazy, I do not know what other recourse the team has. I'm sure there has been "behind the scenes" punishment, then they went to "slap on the wrist" (depth chart), followed by a more public punishment (Scout Team), to now a suspension. You don't think they've tried "talking to him" on multiple occassions? The guy is clearly a head case. The ultimate problem is that they aren't willing to give him more money. That is the whole problem. I'm not sure how you deal with that. Many many teams tell players this all the time. It is rare, however, that you get a player that acts as poorly as Marshall did.

3. I agree with you on some level that coaches need to be able to deal with all sorts of players... Perhaps McDaniels is not good at this yet. However, Marshall has clearly shown that he's a special kind of crazy.

Originally Posted by OldschoolFreak

Look, clearly Marshall is an idiot and 90% of this falls on him, not the team. BUT...we were discussing the issue on this forum about a week ago and some people made the argument that despite Marshall's failings, the impetus was on McD to get over himself and try to be reconsiliatory rather than standoffish.

In hindsight that is 100% accurate. Dumbass or not, Marshall is a Probowler and the best receiver on the team. Even if the relationship is irreparable for the long run, the team should have done what it needed to maintain his trade value for when they do unload him.

I'm not saying this doesn't sqaurely fall on Marshall--it does. What I am saying is that rather than play chicken with the guy and wait for him to break with childish communication like was done, the team should have recognized the volatility of the situation, and done what was possible to douse the flames. I'm not talking new contract, I'm talking of a sitdown honest conversation letting him know in no uncertain terms that he's a valuable member of the team and that the best thing for him to do in terms of his own and the team's best interest was to play hard, have a great year and then see what happens.Pouting at him and lying to the media about everything being ok is almost as bad as what he did.

This was a very predictable outcome and rather than coldly wait for an overgrown manchild to lose it, the team should have anticipated, played their cards better by being more conciliatory, and done all in their power to maintain the overall strength of the team.

Like him or not, we are not better without BM. This team just took a step backwards.

I believe it was in the following interview with Bowlen, that he explains WHY Brandon will not get his extension NOW - let's STOP blaming it on McDaniels.

http://www.fm1043thefan.com/channels...spx?id=1121617

Originally Posted by OldschoolFreak

What I am saying is that rather than play chicken with the guy and wait for him to break with childish communication like was done, the team should have recognized the volatility of the situation, and done what was possible to douse the flames. I'm not talking new contract, I'm talking of a sitdown honest conversation letting him know in no uncertain terms that he's a valuable member of the team and that the best thing for him to do in terms of his own and the team's best interest was to play hard, have a great year and then see what happens.

Tell me - how in the world do you know that they haven't done this???

Originally Posted by Dreadnought

Dortoh, I love you and Claymore like brothers, but you guys are missing it on this one. No, I don't think McD has done anything to earn my faith in him, but there was simply no choice here in this particular case. Marshall baited the Broncs, not the other way around. He always was a huge PITA, more trouble than he is worth, and that predates McD. His character is what it is. He is who he is. I have zero doubt at all that he would have pulled the same sort of crap in some form eventually no matter who the coach was. He is TO revisited, and nothing but trouble in the long run.

QFT.

Marshall is a problem-child. There's not a way to "handle" someone like him. You might be able to appease them for a season or two, but eventually, the same behavior comes to light again, and it only gets worse.

Why? Because BM has been rewarded for this type of behavior his whole life apparently. He's a spoiled brat who throws a tantrum, or kicks someone, or smashes his fist through glass when he doesn't get his way.

There's not a way to handle that. You either put up with it, or you send them packing.

What you absolutely DON'T do, if you have a shred of self-respect, is you DON'T reward them with a new contract. You don't coddle them by letting them play by different rules than the rest of the team. It is a team, and they are either all in the same boat or they're not. Someone who rocks the boat eventually gets tossed out no matter who the Captain is (i.e. Shanny or McD, or anyone else we could have hired).

I'm glad that McD has the balls to stand up to him. It would be a lot easier for Josh to cave on this. He's already had a ton of criticism over Cutler. Who would blame him for rolling over just to get through the season? But he has the integrity to stand up and build his team the way he envisions it, and if that means a selfish, me-first, ne'er-do-well has to go despite his inherent talent, then so be it.

Originally Posted by OldschoolFreak

I'm talking of a sitdown honest conversation letting him know in no uncertain terms that he's a valuable member of the team and that the best thing for him to do in terms of his own and the team's best interest was to play hard, have a great year and then see what happens.

What makes you think they havent already tried this route?

Originally Posted by OldschoolFreak

Look, clearly Marshall is an idiot and 90% of this falls on him, not the team. BUT...we were discussing the issue on this forum about a week ago and some people made the argument that despite Marshall's failings, the impetus was on McD to get over himself and try to be reconsiliatory rather than standoffish.

In hindsight that is 100% accurate. Dumbass or not, Marshall is a Probowler and the best receiver on the team. Even if the relationship is irreparable for the long run, the team should have done what it needed to maintain his trade value for when they do unload him.

I'm not saying this doesn't sqaurely fall on Marshall--it does. What I am saying is that rather than play chicken with the guy and wait for him to break with childish communication like was done, the team should have recognized the volatility of the situation, and done what was possible to douse the flames. I'm not talking new contract, I'm talking of a sitdown honest conversation letting him know in no uncertain terms that he's a valuable member of the team and that the best thing for him to do in terms of his own and the team's best interest was to play hard, have a great year and then see what happens.Pouting at him and lying to the media about everything being ok is almost as bad as what he did.

This was a very predictable outcome and rather than coldly wait for an overgrown manchild to lose it, the team should have anticipated, played their cards better by being more conciliatory, and done all in their power to maintain the overall strength of the team.

Like him or not, we are not better without BM. This team just took a step backwards.

Great post....

Originally Posted by outdoor_miner

Tell me - how in the world do you know that they haven't done this???

There's no evidence, given McD's hardline approach that they did, though I have no proof that is the case. Every interview, press release, etc. I've seen of him is that he's uncommunicative and takes a hard nosed "my way or the highway" approach.

Most people suspected Marshall was an idiot, he confirmed that yesterday. BUT this is still a fixable issue. Marshall's hand is forced now. He HAS to come back and showcase his talents now to show he is in fact an elite receiver and that he can be a team player. There are already several teams in need of a quality WR, there will be plenty more by the time the trade deadline approaches this season with the injuires that occur year in and year out. Marshall in now in a must perform situation and if his agent is worth anything he'll advise the idiot to grow up and perform.

Originally Posted by Northman

What makes you think they havent already tried this route?

Maybe they have but I'd be surprised if they had. Look, I hate having to defend this but given the volatility of the board recently I will.

I like McDaniels. I'm not against him, don't want him to fail, and think he's brought a ton of positives to this team.

That said, one of the things I dislike is his extremely arrogant, know it all, hard ass approach. I've seen several examples now of this working against him and I hope it's something he ultimately addresses. Is there value in being tough? Absolutely. Are there times where it might be better to show some compassion? I think so.