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    Default Orton learns to develop thick skin

    The quarterback is facing the latest crush of criticism with the Broncos.
    By Jeff Legwold
    The Denver Post
    Posted: 08/22/2009 01:00:00 AM MDT


    There's up. There's down. Cold. Hot. Fast. Slow.

    And for a Broncos quarterback in the post-Elway era there are these contrasts:

    Great. The worst.

    There is no middle ground, no place to hide, and for Kyle Orton it is a fact of football life he accepted long before he became the Guy Who Was Traded For Jay Cutler.

    "I always think about something my college coach just harped on," Orton said, referring to former Purdue coach Joe Tiller. "He used to always say, and I totally believed it then and totally believe it now, that when things are going good, quarterbacks get way too much of the credit, and when things aren't going good they get way too much of the blame.

    "I certainly agree with that. Really, when somebody's writing something good or saying something good about me, that doesn't necessarily mean they know what they're talking about, and if they write something bad about me it doesn't necessarily mean they know what they're talking about as well."

    So, there you have it. Still standing in the pocket, Orton will take his next spin in the Broncos' offense tonight at Seattle.

    His first two appearances haven't exactly been all he or the Broncos had hoped for when Josh McDaniels named him the team's starter. Orton threw two interceptions in a scrimmage at Invesco Field at Mile High, then threw three interceptions in his half of work last week in the team's preseason opener at San Francisco.

    The boos followed, as have tweets, calls, e-mails and plenty of words on the street about whether Orton really is the guy to run the team's offense. The hills are already alive with the sound of grumbling.

    None of it, however, is coming from McDaniels, who crisply critiqued Orton's work in San Francisco this week: "He didn't have a tough game, he made a couple bad decisions. . . . Neither one of (the quarterbacks) is where I want them to be."

    Orton has lived the quarterback life. At Purdue,

    Chris Simms, above, has been supportive of starting quarterback Kyle Orton this week in preparation for tonight's preseason game against the Seahawks. (Joe Amon, The Denver Post)he followed Drew Brees, with fans almost constantly voicing their frustrations that he was not the same guy as Brees in the Boilermakers' offense.

    In Chicago, many fans consistently expressed their desire for someone else behind center, no matter how many games Orton won. And now, in Denver, he suddenly finds himself as the guy who replaces Cutler and the guy who will determine if the trade worked. He is not coming off the kind of preseason start he needed.

    "But the situation was tougher in college because I was young and I was following Drew, and they expected me to play like Drew did his senior year right away," Orton said. "It was impossible to do. That was tough because I didn't know how to handle it. I think I've gotten better as I've gotten older."

    It was business as usual for the most part this past week for Orton. He took the vast majority of snaps with the first-team offense — Chris Simms had a smattering of work with the starters — and figures to play at least a half tonight in Seattle unless McDaniels changes the play order unexpectedly.

    "I've had games where I haven't thought I played the best game in the world, and some great things have been written about me," Orton said. "And I've had games where I thought I played pretty good, and they thought I was a bum out there playing."

    Simms, who missed most of the 2006 season and all of '07 after surgery to remove a ruptured spleen, had a few of his own turns on the

    Post Poll - Broncos QBs

    Who should be the Broncos' No. 1 quarterback?

    Kyle Orton: Relax, it was one meaningless exhibition game. Despite his poor showing, he deserves to remain the starter.
    Chris Simms: Sure, it was done against second- and third-teamers, but he showed he's the best Broncos quarterback and should move to the top of the depth chart.


    quarterback merry-go-round at Texas as well as with the Buccaneers. He said this week competition is part of the job, but it doesn't impact how he and Orton interact.

    "I think you get better at the criticism that comes with the job as you get older," Simms said.

    "When you're in college, it really affects you, you're a kid. As I've gotten older, I definitely have gotten better at it. I've told a few people I've always loved football and maybe I've loved it too much, maybe put too much pressure on myself at times and dwelled on things that I've done wrong too long. I got injured and went through that phase where I didn't know if I was ever going to play again. Now I'm just so happy and grateful, it's easier to deal with the rest of it."

    Five goals
    Broncos reporter Jeff Legwold suggests five goals for the team in its preseason game tonight at Seattle:

    1. Orton redux: Quarterback Kyle Orton needs a good night's work, especially with the circus coming to town next week.

    2. Make room: The Broncos won't have rookie Knowshon Moreno in the lineup, but the guys up front have to make some running lanes to keep the heat off Orton.

    3. Keep it: Turnovers trump most anything else. And after an '08 season and last week's game full of them, the Broncos need to keep the ball to themselves.

    4. Get to the ball: The 49ers' offense won't be confused with the Saints' at any point, and it still ran for 136 yards on the Broncos' defense. The Broncos need a better effort in this one.

    5. Show, don't tell: The Broncos keep telling everybody things will be fine. They can offer at least a little preseason proof with a solid effort in this one.



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    great!


    now if he can learn to turn it over less and make throws beyond ten yards, we'll be set. . . .



    “When we do find that guy, we’ve got to have the continuity on the offensive side to where we can train him and develop him and get him there. This is our fourth offense in probably three or four years. Quarterbacks need to be developed. You don’t find one ready-made. We got to have a solid system in place for when we do go after whatever guy it may be, a young guy or a trade or whatnot.”
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    Dear Jeff,

    Are bear pelts thicker then horse hides? If Orton didn't develop thick skin in Chicago he would have bleed to death by now.

    Oh ya, even if you can't think of anything new to write about, don't bring up the "Elway shadow" to try and make what you do write sound knowledgeable.

    Yours truely,
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    Thick skin; One of the few required skills to being a legitimate starting QB that Kyle Orton actually has.......Championship.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobe View Post
    Dear Jeff,

    Are bear pelts thicker then horse hides? If Orton didn't develop thick skin in Chicago he would have bleed to death by now.

    Oh ya, even if you can't think of anything new to write about, don't bring up the "Elway shadow" to try and make what you do write sound knowledgeable.

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    Very first thing that came to mind when I read the thread title...

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    Orton learns to "develop" thick skin?

    what is this? a science laboratory experiment or something?

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    But but... I'm confused.

    I thought everyone was saying that Cutler would have to develop 'thick skin' if he was going to Chicago??? If Chicago is so much tougher than Denver, wouldn't Orton already have thick enough skin to handle our 'soft' Denver media????
    (the previous comment was not directed at any particular individual and was not intended to slander,disrespect or offend any reader of said statement)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravage!!! View Post
    But but... I'm confused.

    I thought everyone was saying that Cutler would have to develop 'thick skin' if he was going to Chicago??? If Chicago is so much tougher than Denver, wouldn't Orton already have thick enough skin to handle our 'soft' Denver media????
    I don't think Orton is concerned about the media here in Denver as much as the media WANTS him to be concerned. Our media is soft. He lived through it in CHicago and servived...lets see what he can accomplish here.

    Sorry, no response to your Cutler take..thus its a Orton thread.

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    honestly, i could care less how he handles the media, barring a ryan leaf-style meltdown. . . but i'm hoping to see him show something more tonight than he did last game-- and not turning the ball over would be a great place to start. . . .
    “When we do find that guy, we’ve got to have the continuity on the offensive side to where we can train him and develop him and get him there. This is our fourth offense in probably three or four years. Quarterbacks need to be developed. You don’t find one ready-made. We got to have a solid system in place for when we do go after whatever guy it may be, a young guy or a trade or whatnot.”
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    Orton needs to develop more than thick skin. Orton will need to develop some QB skills.
    Merry.

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    thought he had a hell of a game tonight overall.. a fighter that does not give up..

    this offense just might be something very special..

    Now if Marshall will get his head on straight it could be incredible..

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogfish View Post
    honestly, i could care less how he handles the media, barring a ryan leaf-style meltdown. . . but i'm hoping to see him show something more tonight than he did last game-- and not turning the ball over would be a great place to start. . . .

    He almost made it. Between the 20's we are a championship team. In the redzone we are the Bad News Bears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jrwiz View Post
    thought he had a hell of a game tonight overall.. a fighter that does not give up..

    this offense just might be something very special..

    Now if Marshall will get his head on straight it could be incredible..
    But but but JR...we didn't have any pass plays down the field...

    but but but..how ever can we be successful if we don't do that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northman View Post
    He almost made it. Between the 20's we are a championship team. In the redzone we are the Bad News Bears.
    Sounds familiar doesn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watchthemiddle View Post
    Sounds familiar doesn't it?
    Unfortuantely.

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