Thread: Did Ray Lewis use banned deer-antler spray to return from triceps injury?

Originally Posted by SeeingRed

Are you calling me fat?

If I was, it would be a black as the soul of the devil pot calling a slate gray kettle black.

This reminds me of that video where the guy who wore deer piss and got his ass kicked by a buck.

It seems the stars are aligning for the Ravens to win the Superbowl. My little girl told me she is going for the Ravens because she goes to Ravenwood Elementary.......really!

Originally Posted by MNPatsFan

The Lance Armstrong situation clearly established that a person's failure to test positive for a banned substance DOESN'T mean the alleged cheater wasn't using PEDs. Now I have no idea whether Lewis used PEDs or not, but his reliance on his alleged clean record means absolutely nothing any more because for years Lance continually recited his record for never testing positive even though he was using numerous banned substances and practices.

sadly, ( for former LA fans like me) a clean test record and defiant denials prove NOTHING !
did this company SHIP anything to RL? did he accept a package?
If so, he used!
he said publicly, "I will do anything and everything to get back on the field this season".
apparently this company has a RECORDED phone conversation between RL and the owner of the company, with ray saying, "package it all up and send it to me"
RL would lick the sweat off a live deers testicles if hje thought it would excelerate his healing.
...heck he might even do it just because he likes it !

Originally Posted by Ravage!!!

John Clayton had a good point on Mark Schlereth's ESPN radio show last night. He asked, if a player is taking a substance to 'heal' faster, is that really a PED??

Its a good point, and got Schlereth going hot. He made good points. We expect these guys to be "super human"..and the NFL wants them to move to an 18 game season (hate the idea)... all the while, everyone wants the players to be on the field earning the money they are getting paid. Yet if you take anything that can shorten your healing time....

Its just so hypocritical. Clayton's question brought up a good point. I mean, personally, I just don't care if these guys use drugs to make them bigger, stronger, faster, or heal quicker. I realize I'm in the minority on that, but I'm just being honest. That's their choice and they know the risks involved in those choices.

every ordinary joe gets a regimine of STEROIDS to accelerate their healing, if they have had surgery. Its a very common practice !
prolonged steroid use improves eyesight!
better than 20-20, thats why BASEBALL players benefit so much from steroids.
blood dopping?
they use their OWN blood! they are being restricted from getting transfusions of their own blood, blood they store when it is at higher oxygen levels.

but there are some athletes out there who dont want to do all this shit.
they want to win clean and they want to compete on a level playing field.

Originally Posted by Thnikkaman

If I was, it would be a black as the soul of the devil pot calling a slate gray kettle black.

And now you're professing your love for me...to me?

Originally Posted by Chef Zambini

every ordinary joe gets a regimine of STEROIDS to accelerate their healing, if they have had surgery. Its a very common practice !
prolonged steroid use improves eyesight!
better than 20-20, thats why BASEBALL players benefit so much from steroids.
blood dopping?
they use their OWN blood! they are being restricted from getting transfusions of their own blood, blood they store when it is at higher oxygen levels.

but there are some athletes out there who dont want to do all this shit.
they want to win clean and they want to compete on a level playing field.

Anabolic steroids and medical steroids (corticosteroids...which is what I think you're talking about) are totally different Zam. Anabolic steroids do magical things for muscle reconstruction and building.

Originally Posted by SeeingRed

Bad choice of words on my part. Obviously a contradiction. And I don't have an angry attitude, Doctor Dzone.


And HGH testing can be and is done via blood draw. Also, some oral HGH (somatotropin) has been shown to increase GH by 70-160%. For this to happen it has to be in a liquid form, usually a spray, and suspended in an alcohol solution so that it bypasses the digestive system and goes straight in to the blood stream.

LOL..ok, its cool. You admitted to your boo boo there..an honest mistake...Im sorry for calling you angry...Dr Dzone..LOL

Anyway, yes, blood test is good to detect GH use but only 24-48 hours after its injected. That is why its so hard to detect. There is a urine test , I think just came out of switzerland, that can detect HGH for 2 weeks after an injection. Otherwise, thats about it so far for detecting HGH use/abuse. Human GH is 191 amino acid peptide chain and the stuff people inject is exactly 191 amino acids long as well. So it is exactly like what the human body produces. So when you inject hgh, your IGF-1 levels spike dramatically for up to two days. So I believe the testing is done to see if there is an abnormal spike in IGF-1, not HGH...Im goin g off memory here, so dont quote me, but I am pretty damn sure thats how they detect injected hgh.

I know there are people using an oral HGH, but personally, I wouldnt waste my money on it.. They market it as if it is like using real hgh. Ive used real HGH for about 4 months. Legally of course with Dr supervision. It does get a little old injecting yourself every day and it is crazy expensive. But , no doubt, it does burn fat and add muscle mass and you feel great. No, I am not condoning PEDs. lol If you are a tested athlete, you simply have to not inject for 2 days prior to a blood test. I dont know how far along they are with that urine test. Is HGH use going on in professional sports? Well...

Originally Posted by Dzone

LOL..ok, its cool. You admitted to your boo boo there..an honest mistake...Im sorry for calling you angry...Dr Dzone..LOL

Anyway, yes, blood test is good to detect GH use but only 24-48 hours after its injected. That is why its so hard to detect. There is a urine test , I think just came out of switzerland, that can detect HGH for 2 weeks after an injection. Otherwise, thats about it so far for detecting HGH use/abuse. Human GH is 191 amino acid peptide chain and the stuff people inject is exactly 191 amino acids long as well. So it is exactly like what the human body produces. So when you inject hgh, your IGF-1 levels spike dramatically for up to two days. So I believe the testing is done to see if there is an abnormal spike in IGF-1, not HGH...Im goin g off memory here, so dont quote me, but I am pretty damn sure thats how they detect injected hgh.

I know there are people using an oral HGH, but personally, I wouldnt waste my money on it.. They market it as if it is like using real hgh. Ive used real HGH for about 4 months. Legally of course with Dr supervision. It does get a little old injecting yourself every day and it is crazy expensive. But , no doubt, it does burn fat and add muscle mass and you feel great. No, I am not condoning PEDs. lol If you are a tested athlete, you simply have to not inject for 2 days prior to a blood test. I dont know how far along they are with that urine test. Is HGH use going on in professional sports? Well...

You are right. And, if I'm not mistaken, the only way you can get an accurate blood test for HGH use is if the subject has fasted but I can't remember for how long. There are also some supplements now that you can buy online that have shown in tests to increase GH levels by over 600%.

As far as the PED for athletes part goes...it doesn't bother me. I'm a professional bodybuilding fan and all the heavyweight guys like Ronnie Coleman, Kai Greene, etc all juice. I don't want anabolic steroids in football, hockey, or any other major sport but I have ZERO problem with HGH, GH boosters, testosterone or test boosters, etc. The long term health benefits HGH has for men AND women are undeniable and just because its available or should it be made legal in sports doesn't mean athletes are gonna be knocking down the door of their doctor to take it.

Originally Posted by MOtorboat

For **** sakes, white does not have a "y" in it.

He also has problem with then name Rodgers. He forgets the d all the time.

Originally Posted by TXBRONC

He also has problem with then name Rodgers. He forgets the d all the time.

I am just like shanahan, forgetting about the "D".