Thread: Upon Further Review by Orton

Originally Posted by claymore

Why should we? This whole Orton/Cutler pick trade thing isnt a normal blunder. It was a flat out retarded ordeal.

Unfortunatley Orton will get the majority of the negativity though but... McDaniels/Bowlen deserves to be heckled more because its their fault.

If it ends up working out in the end, I will swallow my pride, and buy merchandise. If it doesnt, they deserve all the criticisim, boos, etc... they get.

They rolled the dice.

Say what you want about Cutler being a bitch, but we still held his contract for a couple years.

Last I heard, McD listened to a trade offer and Cutler demanded one.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

Last I heard, McD listened to a trade offer and Cutler demanded one.

Cutler demanded one after meeting with JMCD. JMCD was stoopid to listen.

Originally Posted by claymore

Cutler demanded one after meeting with JMCD. JMCD was stoopid to listen.

Did McD trade Cutler or Bowlen?

Originally Posted by Thnikkaman

Did McD trade Cutler or Bowlen?

Im sure Ellis did, but Bowlen said it was his decision.

Originally Posted by claymore

Im sure Ellis did, but Bowlen said it was his decision.

Yeah I think I read that in the paper. I'm very well read you know.

Originally Posted by claymore

Cutler demanded one after meeting with JMCD. JMCD was stoopid to listen.

That's right...I forgot. McD kind of told Cutler that no one was going to kiss his ass and put him on a pedestal and King Cutler got pissy. I remember now

A couple of things.

Being serious here, stepping aside from my "I hate Ellis" mantra.

Generally speaking, what you see in the preseason (deficiensies) is what you get in the regular season. I saw lousy play at linebacker last year........and.......thats what we got.

Based on this, Simms is the better QB, he plays QB to "his" strengths and doesn't try to be a robot. Josh may hate this, but trying to put a square peg in a round hole doesn't work either. We are weak at the position but strong everywhere else on offense.

I was also impressed with Simms anger after his int, obviously....it meant alot to him as opposed to Orton acting non-chalant about 3 of them. This is a good thing.

Defensively, we are much improved except for d-line, Nolan is trying to compensate with pressure but we will get bit in the tail every once in awhile with the big play, he is doing the best with what he's got and thats what I expected from him, but there is only so much he can do until we get better personnel.

We are stacked at WR, very talented group.

Originally Posted by Superchop 7

A couple of things.

Being serious here, stepping aside from my "I hate Ellis" mantra.

Generally speaking, what you see in the preseason (deficiensies) is what you get in the regular season. I saw lousy play at linebacker last year........and.......thats what we got.

Based on this, Simms is the better QB, he plays QB to "his" strengths and doesn't try to be a robot. Josh may hate this, but trying to put a square peg in a round hole doesn't work either. We are weak at the position but strong everywhere else on offense.

I was also impressed with Simms anger after his int, obviously....it meant alot to him as opposed to Orton acting non-chalant about 3 of them. This is a good thing.

Defensively, we are much improved except for d-line, Nolan is trying to compensate with pressure but we will get bit in the tail every once in awhile with the big play, he is doing the best with what he's got and thats what I expected from him, but there is only so much he can do until we get better personnel.

We are stacked at WR, very talented group.

Is this something you see from all teams preseason performance, or just our team with the old coaching regime?

Good grief, are we still arguing over this crap? Cutler is gone. Who was wrong and who was right doesn't make a damn bit of difference. Carrying on like a baby that got his toy taken won't change it. It is done.

I will never understand why people look forward to tearing down players on their favorite team. Step up and support the team and wish for the best instead of rooting for failure just to say "I told you so" on an internet message board.

I swear, it's like I'm playin' cards with my brother's kids or somethin'. You nerve-wrackin' sons-a-bitches.

Originally Posted by Superchop 7

Generally speaking, what you see in the preseason (deficiensies) is what you get in the regular season. I saw lousy play at linebacker last year........and.......thats what we got.

Based on this, Simms is the better QB, he plays QB to "his" strengths and doesn't try to be a robot. Josh may hate this, but trying to put a square peg in a round hole doesn't work either. We are weak at the position but strong everywhere else on offense.

I was also impressed with Simms anger after his int, obviously....it meant alot to him as opposed to Orton acting non-chalant about 3 of them. This is a good thing.

He played well and a case can be made that the position is still a competition, but let's be honest, Simms benefited from more conservative playcalling and a hell of a lot better run game...and going against 2nd/3rd teamers didn't hurt. Like much else, it is wait and see, I am looking forward to seeing how Orton and Simms play in Seattle.

Originally Posted by CoachChaz

That's right...I forgot. McD kind of told Cutler that no one was going to kiss his ass and put him on a pedestal and QUEEN Cutler got pissy. I remember now

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Originally Posted by Jrwiz

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Originally Posted by Mike

Good grief, are we still arguing over this crap? Cutler is gone. Who was wrong and who was right doesn't make a damn bit of difference. Carrying on like a baby that got his toy taken won't change it. It is done.

I will never understand why people look forward to tearing down players on their favorite team. Step up and support the team and wish for the best instead of rooting for failure just to say "I told you so" on an internet message board.

I swear, it's like I'm playin' cards with my brother's kids or somethin'. You nerve-wrackin' sons-a-bitches.

That goes for you to JR.

Originally Posted by Mike

Good grief, are we still arguing over this crap? Cutler is gone. Who was wrong and who was right doesn't make a damn bit of difference. Carrying on like a baby that got his toy taken won't change it. It is done.

I will never understand why people look forward to tearing down players on their favorite team. Step up and support the team and wish for the best instead of rooting for failure just to say "I told you so" on an internet message board.

I swear, it's like I'm playin' cards with my brother's kids or somethin'. You nerve-wrackin' sons-a-bitches.

BS. JMCD deserves criticisim. I dont root agains Orton, I hope Im wrong, and he turns it around. JMCD made this ordeal happen. He deserves a short leash.,

Originally Posted by SWMoBroncosFan

Give the guy to at least mid season. I mean c'mon..the guy has a whole new playbook and system to learn. As does the rest of the offense! His first preseason game should not be used as a marker to judge him.

Now if he does not learn from his mistakes and carries them on and on and on....then we run him out of town on a rail....lol

But seriously...give him a few games into the regular season before passing too harsh of judgement.

But who's fault is that? Look, im hoping he does better but my expectations of McD and this team are still the same. McDaniels created a stir with the prior Qb here who was already familiar with the players and chemistry. And Orton isnt a rookie and he is known for somewhat taking care of the ball. I could of handled maybe 1 or 2 INT's but 3? In just one half? I dont care who you are, thats just unacceptable. Could be just a bad game and i hope thats the case but i dont agree with you that you cant look at this game and have some reservations about how this season could turn out. Im like a lot of you and dont want to have to look back this season and say, damn we made a huge mistake here.

Originally Posted by Thnikkaman

Did McD trade Cutler or Bowlen?

Common sense says that McDaniels did.